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 Post subject: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:51 pm 
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How hard is this trick?


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 2:26 am 
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I have no idea. But I'd like to take this opportunity to voice my opinion on watch steals. For the most part, I think most all watch steals you see performed are faked. If there are any "real" watch steals they must be performed on awfully stupid people! The person having his watch stolen is a confederate. Let me ask you this: Wouldn't you know if someone tried to take your watch off??? I certainly would, no matter how "professional" the magician happened to be, I would notice. I would feel it. Like I said, my opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:29 pm 
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Like blaine did. He moves your hand fast so you dont notice anything. ANd of course there is HEAVY misdirection. If I was having a fun time watching tricks I wouldn't expect him to steal my watch. Its one of those things you dont expect and after you find out your like "oh thats what i felt" etc.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:35 pm 
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Hey Everybody- The whole deal with watch stealing is finger dexterity. You apply pressure to the wrist while you take the spectator up to the stage and with your fingers, you undo the clasp and then press very hard against their wrist and take it off while misdirecting them. -I left a lot out, but the rest is easy to figure out. -Malcolm


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 5:31 pm 
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I still differ. I don't care how dextrious or nimble a performers fingers might be, I would just know if someone tried to remove my watch. I think any person who was awake would also know it. Applying "very hard" "pressure" on someone while escorting them is just plain rude and uncalled for. When you touch someone to escort them you do it with a light respectful touch.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:46 pm 
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Dude, it's the same concept as pick pocketing. Its done when no one expects it and done with stealthy. I almost guarantee you someone could get a watch off of you. Have you see the worlds greatest magic? I mean, the guy was stealing ties from poeple unknowingly.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 7:18 pm 
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My stubborn self still differs. True, someone might be able to get my watch off me, but NOT without me knowing it! Pickpocketing is done with stealth and a light touch or a quick bump in, not with a constant pressure or hard touch. Yes I have seen all of the World's Greatest Magic shows, and I've seen other performers steal watches and the guy steal ties. I still say these people are stooges and confederates. My opinion.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:57 pm 
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!!! Its your opinion, so yeah.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:56 pm 
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Thanks for allowing me my opinion...:>) I would also like to bring up an observation about the tie stealing. In order for a performer to steal a tie from someone he has to make at least a few tugs on the knot of the tie to get it loose enough to remove. Don't you think that you'd notice if someone was pulling on your tie at your throat? Misdirection or not, you'd feel it. You'd have to be in a coma not to!


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 11:59 pm 
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Hmmm . . . I have stolen watches, ties, glasses and no one told me the people I used were stooges . . . . gee wiz, I wish I had known that . . .


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:14 am 
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Kacy.....how many of those people were asleep, on drugs or in a coma when you did it?.....and did you steal their glasses right off their faces...:>)


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:55 am 
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I have to agree with Frijid_Pink on this one. Maybe (and I mean maybe) you might get my watch off without me knowing it, but I doubt it. I have a hard time undoing the clasp myself. But as someone who wears ties daily, there is no way short of being asleep or drugged you would get my tie off without my knowledge. A button-down collar with a double-windsor knot.... no chance in hades. Now maybe for you youngsters who wear clip-ons.... ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:52 pm 
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LOL...I guess there are a ton of really stupid people at my restaurant everyday, because I'm stealing tons of stuff every night I work. On average I'm stealing 5-6 watches a night. Without being caught. Especially the leather banded ones, those are cake to steal without someone noticing. And I steal it right in front of their face at that...LOL. Funny thing is, throughout my routine I'm stealing watches, cell phones from people's pockets and clips, jewelry, anything I can get to...then at the end of my routine I'm like "By the way, here's some prizes for you all" and I'm emptying tons of stuff from my pockets. Fun stuff. So Frijid, though I understand your thoughts, stealing watches is not fake, unless God himself is placing 5-6 stooges without my knowing per night I work at my restaurant.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:16 pm 
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Well Sir, I have to agree with you that the people at your restaurant are really stupid as you said, (or gullible or just don't want to spoil it for you, or just plain drunk). Because if you tried to steal my watch you'd get caught. You better hope I don't show up in your restuarant some night and you try to steal my watch, because if you do I'm gonna spoil your attempt...:>) I'm sorry, but I remain skeptical.


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 Post subject: Re: Watch and Cry
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:01 pm 
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frijid you seem very opiniated and thats just the way you are. but allow me mine. isn't magic about doing the impossible? i at least you re still interested in that part of magic. one fo the main reasons i perform magic is to see the reactions when i perform a seemingly impossible effect. you have a problem about stealing watches fine, you know what to look for so you would notice. Even though it may be more advanced, stealing watches is just as impossible as tearing and restoring a card, or making a marked coin appear in a nest of boxes in a spectators pocket, having the marked card appear from where they were sitting? my point is you may notice, but if you knew the right techniques and had enough practice the laymen would think nothing happened. i have taken peoples keys off their keyring while the ring was threaded through their belt. and poeple have never thought twice. like Malini if something happens that would make a good trick go with it. even if you can't repeat it ever again. it would be a shame to miis the magic. I hope i haen't offended you, but please stop griping, sleight of hand is much more than the pass and a french drop.


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