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 Post subject: Emerge Triumphant Review
PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 11:40 am 
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Here's my review:

Method: Great! I am an advanced beginner I guess you could call it. The only part I found difficult was the f!@#$ s%^&&*(.

Teaching: Oz does a great job teaching this effect.

Ease of Perfromance: With the misderection that Oz gives you, it's almost impossible to screw up if you practice.


FAQ:

Q: Does it get good reactions?
A: Yup.

Q: Any gimmicks?
A: No, but there is a set up.

Q: How long does set up take?
A: The set up takes about a minute. I actually have a seperate deck of cards for this so I don't need to set up.

Q: Is it the best triumph?
A: If it is performed right.


Final Score: 7/10

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 Post subject: Re: Emerge Triumphant Review
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 7:00 am 
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brucelee2 wrote:
Q: Is it the best triumph?
A: If it is performed right.


Really? What about a colour triumph? Or one where they shuffle the cards face-up into face-down themselves?


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 Post subject: Re: Emerge Triumphant Review
PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 8:03 pm 
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Manic_B wrote:
brucelee2 wrote:
Q: Is it the best triumph?
A: If it is performed right.


Really? What about a colour triumph? Or one where they shuffle the cards face-up into face-down themselves?


It's an opinion thing.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:31 am 
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What kind of magician would rather end in new deck order, strongly hinting at the method, than change the colour of the deck? It's not an opinion thing, it's a matter of not knowing about other variants.


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It's an opinion thing.


Exactly.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:46 am 
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I don't have the instructional video but I can tell from the demo that it's an intermediate/advanced trick. Not for beginners. Just a warning for people new to card sleights thinking about buying the download.

I certainly wouldn't call it the "best triumph" -- in fact the triumph aspect of the trick is sort of lame, but the kicker is great.


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brucelee2 wrote:
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It's an opinion thing.


Exactly.


What other Triumph effects do you own?And where did you learn them?

-YNWA


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brucelee2 wrote:
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It's an opinion thing.


Exactly.


What other triumphs do you know or know of?


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What exactly is the definition of a triumph?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:35 am 
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varjak_paw wrote:
What exactly is the definition of a triumph?

Spectator freely selects a card, it's returned to the deck. Then half of the deck of inverted (so it's face up) and shuffled into the other face-down pack. Now the deck is a mess with face up and face down cards all jumbled up. The magician "makes a magic moment" and voila, suddenly all of the cards are face-up except for one single card which is face down... that card is flipped over, and it is the selected card.

There are a ton of variations on the theme, with the backs of the deck changing color, something written on the back of the spectator's selection, the deck returning to factory-order, etc.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 11:55 am 
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oh, in that case, i really like renegade. i use it all the time. i just didn't know that was a triumph :oops:


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Personally I don't like the new deck kicker, as it hints at the method. I do like the colour-changing deck kicker found in 'colour triumphs'. I think the 'best triumph if performed well' would be one in which the spectator shuffles the cards. This is possible with a bit of thought and preparation.


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Manic_B wrote:
Personally I don't like the new deck kicker, as it hints at the method. I do like the colour-changing deck kicker found in 'colour triumphs'. I think the 'best triumph if performed well' would be one in which the spectator shuffles the cards. This is possible with a bit of thought and preparation.

I used to do a version like that with a stripper deck, but I dropped it from my repertoire because (a) it takes enormous spectator control and I couldn't figure out a decent "out" if the spectator ruins the effect, and (b) it uses a stripper deck, which is kind of cheesy for various reasons.

I posted a "spectator shuffles the cards" version of triump that is done with pure sleights recently, you can see it here --> http://www.penguinmagic.com/discuss/vie ... highlight= (I'm not the guy in the video.)

There's a gaffed version of this trick which could allow you to let the spectator shuffle the cards, I forgot what name it goes by, but it's pretty poor overall because the deck is pretty much useless of anything other than that one effect. And it's not a good enough effect to warrant ringing-in a gaff deck for.


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Not worth a deck switch?


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I think if you do a few card effects beforehand that involves the spec. shuffling and looking at the deck, then do a deck switch and do this for a finale is a good idea. I really like the concept of new deck order triumph, and it's the most convicing b/c it's an in-the-hands riffle shuffle where they can clearly see them interlacing, whereas the other triumphs just hint to you that they are being interlaced. Think about that.


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