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oh, yeah. I hadn't looked at the title in a while. But Helder is one of the best card magicians. As for mechanics, I stand by my vote for ortiz. (who is also a great magician sooooooo, best of both worlds there.)


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acebrawler73 wrote:
oh, yeah. I hadn't looked at the title in a while. But Helder is one of the best card magicians. As for mechanics, I stand by my vote for ortiz. (who is also a great magician sooooooo, best of both worlds there.)


Hey Acebrawler, I think you could also call Helder a very good card mechanic.
But if we are really talking about cardmechanics, it means that for example
Helder, Bebel, Lennart green would not come in the list. Even if they do the hardest moves around.

Even Brian Tudor would not be in the list.


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yea, Because technically speaking, "Card Mechanics" don't use their moves to effect magic. They just appear to shuffle and cut the cards and nobody suspects anything. Helder Bebel, Lennart, and Brian all use thier skills to effect a magical happening, or, in brian's case, uses his skill just for the sake of showing that has skill.


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Lennart Green i would say is a sleightly (mind the pun :D ) different case.

He uses his considerable skill to hide his considerable skill, although so do many others. But what separates him is his "sloppy" manner which i think makes his magic all the more astounding and his skills all the more deceptive. Unlike other card mechanics who do things cleanly and (apparently) very fairly, with him, he just doesn't seem like the 'skilled card table pro' type when he performs (though obviously he could be). This is one of the reasons i think he's incredible.


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yea, I really like his style too. You might also really like dani daortiz. He uses the same sloppy style and everything he does looks like pure magic to me.


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dan and dave hands down.
They put so much time into their work and are so smooth


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I would have to say that Steve Forte is rather impressive.


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OZ!


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daniel116 wrote:
What Bill Malone did is Steve Forte's solution for Scarne's Aces, called No Look Aces.


Daniel,

Steve and Bill had met only once prior to the taping of Hidden Secrets of Magic. Bill and Steve are very good friends now, but hardly knew each other at the time.

Bill's version of Scarne's Aces was not a Forte idea, nor was it inspired by a Forte idea or solution. It's all Bill's.

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Daniel,

Steve and Bill had met only once prior to the taping of Hidden Secrets of Magic. Bill and Steve are very good friends now, but hardly knew each other at the time.

Bill's version of Scarne's Aces was not a Forte idea, nor was it inspired by a Forte idea or solution. It's all Bill's.

Jason


Hey Jason. Any chance of us learning Bill's method anywhere? *Winks seductively.*


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Of course there are chances! Just not very good ones, and not from me.

I'd say the chances of you getting the secret from Bill himself are about 500:1 against.

Good luck!

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What about Martin Nash AKA "the cunning cheat"?!!!?!?!


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JasonEngland wrote:
Of course there are chances! Just not very good ones, and not from me.

I'd say the chances of you getting the secret from Bill himself are about 500:1 against.

Good luck!

Jason


So I'm takin it that the seductive wink wouldn't work on Bill? :lol: I wouldn't care if he taught it to me or not- I would just be happy to see him perform in person!


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What about Martin Nash AKA "the cunning cheat"?!!!?!?!


"Charming". He's the Charming Cheat.


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ellliotcarver wrote:
daniel116 wrote:
Steve Forte, without a doubt, the best card mechanic EVER.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sbY9VA1riEM
Also, remember that trick with the 4 aces that Bill Malone did? the one where he uses a sealed deck that an audience member gave him?
It's truly that impromptu and it was invented by Steve Forte.

Dan and Dave?
They are very good at cutting cards, but we've never seen them do any gambling moves, so I assume they're not very good at it.

Brian Tudor has the best top palm I've ever seen, but that's the only thing he does better than other famous card mechanics...

Another good mechanic is Denis Behr, he is not as good as other card mechanics but he is pretty young and I believe that in a few years he will become just as good.



Brian Tudor in my opinion doesn't have the best top palm in my opinion.
Bebel has.
Bebel is also the best mechanic that exists in my opinion.
The Buck twins are extremely good. But there is something that sets them apart from for example Bebel.
Bebel is the best at doing the hardest stuff that is also performable.( did that make sense?)

Here a video with PERFECT execution of every move.

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=tiskyO-GiAE




Ok guys, I feel good.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=wpdW8QU2MI8
This is the trailer to Bebel his new DVD, well look at one of the quotes in it:He is the best at doing hard stuff that is also performable.

Isn't that what I wrote on these forums(watch what I quoted)


Elliot


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