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 Post subject: control to top
PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:10 pm 
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i was wondering what your favorite 'control to top' method was. i'm just starting out (about 3 month on/off of card conjouring) and i need a new way to get a control to the top. i know the break cut (if that's what you call it), hindu control shuffle, and the in-jog overhand. they get kinda repetative in my routine and i'd like to be able to do some wicked control to top moves (ie "Fruit Loops" trick in Blaine's first special) but to use as a utility, not a trick in itself. any suggestions/recommended reading? thanks.
-OMJ


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:17 pm 
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well, I do the overhand control, hindu control and double undercut. Just use the easiest for you. No need to use something complex when there is a simple way to accomplish the same thing. :)


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:47 pm 
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Rlk7 wrote:
well, I do the overhand control, hindu control and double undercut. Just use the easiest for you. No need to use something complex when there is a simple way to accomplish the same thing. :)


I don't mean to be rude, but I want to be able to do something complex. I want a more fluid/convincing show/routine. There are some rather observant people that can catch on, but can also be thrown off like nothing with a quick change up. I just like to have that versatility... so.. any other controls that you think I should check out?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 5:28 pm 
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sorry, I can't think of any more. I am just a beginner in card magic.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 5:34 pm 
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you can use a classic pass riffle pass. there are so many ways. i recommend getting royal road to card magic. it is very very good for beginning magicians.


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i use the break cut a lot, and then once the card is on top, i riffle shuffle them, making sure of course that the top card lands last :D nobody has EVER figured that out yet


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 6:07 pm 
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when you say break cut, do you mean double undercut?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 7:30 pm 
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Art of Astonishment shows the "Flip Flop Plop". It is great for getting the card to the top.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 7:05 pm 
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BTW, the "Fruit Loops" trick is called the Ambitious Card. :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:43 pm 
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Hmm. A pass?

An invisible pass is the best way to get a card to the top of the deck. Period.


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I prefer the swing swivel undercut that Oz uses in a lot of the demos. Looks impressive, but not too fancy.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 2:45 am 
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for dat fruit loops thingy in the DB special, did he do a pass at one point? the part b4 he did the braue pop-up card


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:15 am 
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No, just learn the "Ambitious Card Routine", mine uses a pass, Blaine's on his special does not.

He is not controling the card like you are suggesting!!!

I don't know how much I can tell you on this thread so I'll stop. What you see Blaine do is pretty much Ammar's routine from ETMCM's Volume 2.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 3:52 am 
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Injog Shuffle
Double Undercut
Classic Pass False Cut
Flip Flop Plop (Paul Harris)
Riffle Pass
Backstage Pass (Gregory Wilson)
Crimping a card
Hindu Shuffle Control
Miracle Move (Jerry Sadowitz)

The thing Blaine does before he does the Braue Pop-up move is called the James/Ellis Loading Move. Daryl's video on the Ambitious Card has it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 4:04 am 
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My favorite pass right now is the Daley handling of the Hermann turnover pass. This pass is described in book called "Stars of Magic". Also it is demonstrated by Ken Krenzel, one of the true pass masters, on his video, which is only on VHS, called "The Pass". It often sells for less then $20.

What a great control, and so clean looking!!!!!


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