View Cart | View Account | Help
Order by phone: 800-880-2592
Check out our favorite NEW ARRIVALS
Need it fast? Order before 4pm Eastern and your order ships SAME DAY.

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Beginner - how to force a card?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:08 am 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Posts: 4
I have just bought a heap of gear from Penguin to start out, though there are no directions on how to force a card. They just show 1 lame way of cutting the deck twice. What are some of the best ways to force a card and where can I learn them?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 9:50 am 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 16 Apr 2003
Posts: 191
Welcome!

Penguin Magic has an "Instant Downloads" section: http://www.penguinmagic.com/downloads.php

Anyways, what you are looking for is right here http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=629
this teaches you FIVE ways to force a ANY card you like on someone.

Hope that helped


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Lame?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 10:33 am 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 15
Location: PA
First, let me say, welcome to magic! It's great to see a beginner looking to improve his performance, instead of just blindly following the instructions provided.

Now, let me ask you something. Is the method of forcing lame, or is the presentation lame? A common hardship that many new magicians face happens when they read the instructions for the first time.

The moment they get the "AHA! So THAT'S how it works!" they often get a feeling of disappointment and think "that's terrible! nobody will fall for that!" I had this difficulty myself, and it made it difficult to get good reactions when performing. It tends to lead the beginner to buy lots of "tricks" that end up on a shelf unused.

My solution to this problem is to place the focus on the presentation rather than on the method. From the spectator's point of view, you could force a card on them 100,000 different ways, but if you focus on the force, they will not be impressed. The key to forcing cards is placing the emphasis on the rest of the presentation, and not on the force itself. Focus on your patter (what you're saying), and on your gestures, and you'll find that 1 'lame' method of forcing can be QUITE POWERFUL in the eyes of a typical spectator. If, however, they suspect you're up to something, the effect will die immediately, no matter what force you are using.


All that being said, I can give you some excellent references to learn other methods of forcing. The best by far is available here at Penguin Magic and is called the Classic Force. This takes work, but once you are proficient, nothing even comes close.

Penguin also offers 5 Methods of Forcing here.

If you're looking to become a card magician and REALLY learn some technique, then you might look to Card College.

One last comment (I hope I haven't scared you off by now...) is that whatever road you take as a magician, the best way to get started and learning is through books. While it's not as thrilling as opening a brand new gimmick and learning the secret, it will make you better and you will get much more bang for your buck.

Thanks again for sticking with me,
Bryan[/i]


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Lame?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:16 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 17 Apr 2003
Posts: 2410
tidan_md wrote:
First, let me say, welcome to magic! It's great to see a beginner looking to improve his performance, instead of just blindly following the instructions provided.

Now, let me ask you something. Is the method of forcing lame, or is the presentation lame? A common hardship that many new magicians face happens when they read the instructions for the first time.

The moment they get the "AHA! So THAT'S how it works!" they often get a feeling of disappointment and think "that's terrible! nobody will fall for that!" I had this difficulty myself, and it made it difficult to get good reactions when performing. It tends to lead the beginner to buy lots of "tricks" that end up on a shelf unused.

My solution to this problem is to place the focus on the presentation rather than on the method. From the spectator's point of view, you could force a card on them 100,000 different ways, but if you focus on the force, they will not be impressed. The key to forcing cards is placing the emphasis on the rest of the presentation, and not on the force itself. Focus on your patter (what you're saying), and on your gestures, and you'll find that 1 'lame' method of forcing can be QUITE POWERFUL in the eyes of a typical spectator. If, however, they suspect you're up to something, the effect will die immediately, no matter what force you are using.


All that being said, I can give you some excellent references to learn other methods of forcing. The best by far is available here at Penguin Magic and is called the Classic Force. This takes work, but once you are proficient, nothing even comes close.

Penguin also offers 5 Methods of Forcing here.

If you're looking to become a card magician and REALLY learn some technique, then you might look to Card College.

One last comment (I hope I haven't scared you off by now...) is that whatever road you take as a magician, the best way to get started and learning is through books. While it's not as thrilling as opening a brand new gimmick and learning the secret, it will make you better and you will get much more bang for your buck.

Thanks again for sticking with me,
Bryan[/i]



Um, I'm not sure but I don't think you are supposed to post your affiliate ID, because you can see it in those links.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Lame?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 11:57 am 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 30 Jul 2003
Posts: 15
Location: PA
Rlk7 wrote:
Um, I'm not sure but I don't think you are supposed to post your affiliate ID, because you can see it in those links.


My mistake.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 1:33 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 02 Aug 2003
Posts: 455
Location: Good Ol' USA
Why not?? Tidan is refering another person to a trick. Which in turn is helping Penguin make sales.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 2:58 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 30 Nov 2002
Posts: 636
Location: Norway
Go to here: http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=554


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 3:16 pm 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 28 May 2003
Posts: 148
Location: Kentucky
http://web.superb.net/cardtric/index.htm

try this site. it's recommended alot here at penguin. many free card tricks, forces, things like that.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 5:07 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 19 Jan 2003
Posts: 2793
Location: Little Rock
Don't be too quick to throw out these "lame" forces. Some forces, that seem almost stupidly simple, will work quite well with laymen.

In any case, look at the book Royal Road to Card Magic.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 6:55 pm 
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 27 Oct 2002
Posts: 1595
Location: I shall not capitulate... no never. I may be destroyed, but if I am, I shall drag a world with me...
Buy a book instead of a bunch of downloads and crap..


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2003 7:47 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 23 Jul 2003
Posts: 600
Location: Alabama , Auburn
Royal Road to Card Magic is you cheapest and best bet...
http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=573
Then I would go with Michael Ammar - Easy to Master Card Miracles Vols. 1-6 http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=105

Good luck an welcome penguin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 6:46 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Posts: 995
Location: Ashburn, Virginia
everyone above said everything you need to know

welcome to penguin and good luck


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Powered by phpBB © 2009 Penguin Magic, Inc.