I'm a beginner at coin magic, and I'm looking at getting some DVDs. Should I get Michael Ammar's Complete Introduction to Coin Magic before getting the Ultimate Coin Magic Collection by David Roth? Or just the Ultimate Collection? Is it redundant to have both?

Thanks

Roth is more advanced coin workers. If you are jus beggining in coin magic, get either Bobo or Ammar. Roth is for later on.

Yeppers....Also when your done with ammar look into Rev Coin Magic by Sankey....

Roth is a very good beginner set if you get his Expert coin Magic series (not sold at penguin). Some of his more advanced work is his Ultimate coin magic.

I personally think Ammar is boring...though skilled...his dvds are quite boring.

I am a Roth fan and recommend him to everyone.

Start with Roths expert coin magic made easy vol.1-3 .You get the technical master teaching you,as well as some great Tricks.I have Introduction to coin magic by Ammar as well.Its a well put together dvd but lacking in quality routines.

If you are just starting Roth's ECMME Vols 1-3 are the place to start along with a copy of Bobo MCM.

Nothing worse than watching Ammar teach you a Roth move. Blech.

I hear you there man.

Agreed. I like the fact that, in his vids and DVDs, Roth mentions the name or names of the inventors of the some of the effects that he uses (or has improved upon), and dosen't try to take credit for everything since the invention of coins. Roth is a big Vernon and Bobo fan, and isn't afraid to tell everyone. Actually, he has a nice hardbound edition of MCM on a table in the background on the ECMME series, and gives credit to everyone and anyone that he has learned from. That's not only class, that's being very confident in yourself and your abilities.

The ECMME series and Bobo's MCM (in that order) are the best and first places to start to learn coin manipulation.


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David Roth is my favorite as well,however I must say that Ammar does
a great job of crediting everyone and even provides a dedication to Roth
in his Intro. to coin magic.It just does'nt measure up to the quality of coin
manipulations that you receive from Davids ECMME.

where can you purchase expert coin magic vol 1-3?

I like themagicwarehouse.com for videos that penguin does'nt carry.They
have an assortment of great coin workers and are a little cheaper.

Yeah, Howard is pretty easy to deal with on special orders too. But I don't think you're supposed mention other magic sites in this forum. I recently saw somebody do it, and a moderator blocked it out and wrote that it was "against the rules", or something very similar to that. You're message will probably be censored out Dklord21.

cardclumsy, I'll pm you with a link or two for the Roth vids.

Hey wildstone,I hear you man.I thought it might,it should'nt be since its a product that they don't sell.Its kind of touchy,I understand how they feel..
but I would'nt have found Penguin if not for other sites

I think they're afraid these forums will become free advertising for a bazillion other magic supply shops if they don't moderate with extreme prejudice. You know, it's ironic. I tried to become an affiliate for Penguin awhile back, but they stopped the program, so I hooked up with another supplier, actually, I struck a deal with my primary supplier and it's working out great. But now I can't have my web site address in my signature because of my other deal, which wouldn't exist if Penguin didn't turn me down to begin with.

Oh well, it's good to have several sources when you're buying anything. Shopping around saves $$$.

Hey give Michael Ammar some credit. Granted, Roth's ECMME teaches you so much more but it costs much more too. And those who are used to Ammar's teaching style in his Card Miracles set will be very comfortable with him in his Intro to coin DVD too....He is one of the most patient and clearest teacher around.