The Bat or Raven

mdalpos · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:13 pm

Do you think the Bat or the Raven is better???

Thanx

brisco · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:32 pm

it depends on what you want to.

bat: used mostly for pk effects

raven: used for vanishes,appearences, and coin changes.

i personally like & use the raven. imo it's more vesatile than the bat.

mdalpos · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 6:54 pm

I like psychic (PK) effects, so I guess i will get the bat

elimin8or23 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:30 pm

if you can afford it, get both. The mix of effects you can do with the two of them will keep you busy for hours.

MasterJ · **Joined:** 27 Jan 2003 **Posts:** 215

really i do not like either one. just an opinion (people seem to know how both r done because of people exposing it on websites and someone even said on tv)

mdalpos · **Posted:** Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:40 am

I'll keep that in mind

ivkob · **Joined:** 22 Nov 2003 **Posts:** 516

they are really quite different things. the bat is cool though. i love the effect in the instructional video.

DarthVader · **Posted:** Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:45 pm

i think the bat is easier to figure out... the first time i watched the vid i knew how it was done... unlike the raven

Drews · **Posted:** Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:40 pm

My friend learn how to do the Raven from a guy on TV. That is one trick that is pretty well know. But don't let that discourage you from getting it. It is still a cool trick.

tallen82 · **Joined:** 12 Mar 2004 **Posts:** 303 **Location:** N.J

can the raven be done with a short sleeve shirt?..

elimin8or23 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:14 am

tallen82 wrote:

can the raven be done with a short sleeve shirt?..

Yes. There are methods to do this with no shirt at all. Dont know why you would want to, but it can be done.

tallen82 · **Joined:** 12 Mar 2004 **Posts:** 303 **Location:** N.J

wow thats cool..thanks

david_a_whitehead · **Joined:** 25 Jun 2003 **Posts:** 893

raven is too dependent on conditions that its use is severely limited. it also has painful and tiresome reset so that making a true routine is almost impossible. the bat is not bad, but there are tons of better props like this one out there that are more powerful.

mdalpos · **Posted:** Thu Apr 22, 2004 6:11 am

What about the Pro PK kit, or better known as the M5 (Micro 5), is that any good?

I think it is like the bat, but I'm not sure

DarthVader · **Posted:** Thu Apr 22, 2004 7:42 am

david_a_whitehead wrote:

raven is too dependent on conditions that its use is severely limited. it also has painful and tiresome reset so that making a true routine is almost impossible. the bat is not bad, but there are tons of better props like this one out there that are more powerful.

THere is no tiresome reset!!! and the conditions aren't limited unless your wearing no pants and shirt... for the raven
as for the M5 i hear its really powerful but huge

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