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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:23 pm 
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You guys do realize that the basis for the internet was a project for the military, right?


So was the jeep, hummer, some assault rifles and many other products we use today - doesn't matter. And the limitations set by this will be expanded. Just like the Patriot Act sections that were supposed to expire on December 31, 2005, but were magically reauthorized by bills in July 2005.

Cell phones originated in the military as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:31 am 
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FlapJackGeorge wrote:
akirafist wrote:
DaveV wrote:
You guys do realize that the basis for the internet was a project for the military, right?


So was the jeep, hummer, some assault rifles and many other products we use today - doesn't matter. And the limitations set by this will be expanded. Just like the Patriot Act sections that were supposed to expire on December 31, 2005, but were magically reauthorized by bills in July 2005.

Cell phones originated in the military as well.

If you look at the history, as early as 1908 a private individual had a patent assigned for a wireless phone.

Motorola developed a two way walkie talkie for the U.S. military in the 1940s, and maybe you are thinking of that, but there were precursors to the cell phone around before that.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:25 pm 
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The media is made up of biased liberals.


http://www.foxnews.com/
Those darn communists at fox news piss me off!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:04 pm 
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Well I have not actually read the plan and know little about it other then what has been said here but from that I will come to a loose decision.

I really have no problem with this being used as an anti-terrorist measure because national cyber threats are the next natural step. Protecting ourself is very important if indeed we do have certain boundary that the government could not mess with.

Now I must also reference what was mentioned on a recent PennPoint. He explained that even if Obama has completely pure intentions and does an enormous amount of good with the extra power he is giving to the government, our next president might not. In a handful of years a new guy could walk in and use this new found Obama power to ruin this country. It is important to be safe but we have to draw a line.

To be truthful I think if the government turned off the internet it would be a good thing. People that have been hiding behind a WOW account would rise up with the rest of the nation and fight for the rights we were promised. The government has already found or punched a loophole behind every word of the constitution it is time we went back to basics and started fresh. Uprising.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:50 pm 
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FlapJackGeorge wrote:
akirafist wrote:
DaveV wrote:
You guys do realize that the basis for the internet was a project for the military, right?


So was the jeep, hummer, some assault rifles and many other products we use today - doesn't matter. And the limitations set by this will be expanded. Just like the Patriot Act sections that were supposed to expire on December 31, 2005, but were magically reauthorized by bills in July 2005.

Cell phones originated in the military as well.

Can't we just all agree that the military is bad and the government sucks?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:27 pm 
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Can't we just all agree that the military is bad and the government sucks?

NO. The head mod (FCCHIEF) & I are both retired Navy . He retired after years of service and I got a medical retirement after 3 years in Viet Nam attached to the Marines (Corpsman.) so I don't think either of us think the military is bad. The government is not bad either, some of the "elected ones" are crooked, but then some of on this forum, I am sure, are not the most honest people in the world.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:21 pm 
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The government (at least ours) is really not out to get us as many liberals and conservatives make it out to be. I honestly don't care what side your on we all have our own beliefs, but the belief that our government is out to get us is just dumb.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:54 pm 
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paddy wrote:
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Can't we just all agree that the military is bad and the government sucks?

NO. The head mod (FCCHIEF) & I are both retired Navy . He retired after years of service and I got a medical retirement after 3 years in Viet Nam attached to the Marines (Corpsman.) so I don't think either of us think the military is bad. The government is not bad either, some of the "elected ones" are crooked, but then some of on this forum, I am sure, are not the most honest people in the world.

I'm sorry, but I meant to type that the military is "bad a$$". I'm serious, I'm not trying to suckup.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:37 am 
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Obama’s plan to kill the internet must definitely be having some good purpose which we may not be aware of. Internet has it’s positives and negatives. When I look at the holistic picture I find more negatives. Internet has definitely shortened the distances across the globe and given a boost to the economy but simultaneously it is turning out to be the biggest threat through terror to our survival.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:00 am 
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For what it's worth, this is my view:

The idea of shutting down the internet access to a possible "mole" in the system, shall we say, is a fine idea WITH MUCH ROOM FOR QUESTIONABLE USE.

I am relatively certain that, in the case of a successful nuclear cyber-infiltration, the American public would be ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGED to hear that the government had the power to stop it, but did not. If any claim to upholding constitutional (some might say "democratic") ideals was used as an excuse, it would be passed of by citizens as bullsh!t, and a cop-out.

On the other hand, if the act is imposed, there will be just as many people who will tear it to pieces with cries of, "communism" and "1984" and all other forms of paranoid slander. People don't want their rights to a democratic (read by some as "free") system to be infringed upon, and with good reason. However, those people often are the same ones who would cry out in the first scenario as well (see above paragraph).

It boils down to two views:

A) We are f*cked either way
B) We are satisfied either way

There can never be a true answer for the American public.


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:55 pm 
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dockarate wrote:
@ FlapjackGeorge, this isn't a democracy, it's a republic. Many people make that mistake but there is a difference. You have to wonder why the government schools actually tend to teach this mistake.....



is being a republic contradictory to being a democracy?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:04 pm 
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If you guys are wondering my background on this post, I'm currently studying to be a Social Studies teacher, dual-majored with History. So here's what I've mainly been taught. (Feel free to dispute it, but this comes from several well-respected historians in U.S. history.)

Really, Democracy is a principle that a Republic is based on. Democracy is not a form of government per se, but rather the idea that the government is for the people. Republican governments use this ideal by allowing the people to elect representatives to act in their interest.

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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:30 am 
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miniserb725 wrote:
If you guys are wondering my background on this post, I'm currently studying to be a Social Studies teacher, dual-majored with History. So here's what I've mainly been taught. (Feel free to dispute it, but this comes from several well-respected historians in U.S. history.)

Really, Democracy is a principle that a Republic is based on. Democracy is not a form of government per se, but rather the idea that the government is for the people. Republican governments use this ideal by allowing the people to elect representatives to act in their interest.

-JT


Interesting comments. It gave me two things to think about.

  1. In your opinion, is the government of the United States of America based on the idea that the government is for the people?
  2. Is it possible to have a republic which isn't based on democracy?


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 Post subject: Re: Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate panel
PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:26 am 
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1. In its structure and foundation, yes that was the intention. The direction that it has taken since then, well that's a matter of opinion what the state of our nation is. The written words on our founding documents, however, aren't really debatable.

2. By its nature, it has to be based on Democracy. If the system involves the election of representatives, then the representatives are responsible to their constituents to be re-elected. If the constituents aren't happy, bye-bye representative. However, the problem is that all these systems, republics, monarchies, and even socialist dictatorships look great on paper. Every single one does seem very good in theory. But in practice, unintended consequences come into play, and the result of these is a matter of opinion whether they're good for the nation or not.

Just my take on it.

-JT


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Glenn Beck held a rally in Washinton DC yesterday CBS said there were 86,ooo people there, However the Washington Post said there were 500,00, a half a million people there. Reaction against B.O. and his communistic approach to government.


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