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 Post subject: Size and Escapes
PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:00 pm 
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Ok... I want to try to learn an escape, but i have a question. Will i be able to do it or would i be waisting my money? I am fat, so i dont know if i will be able to move around enough to do it. I am thinking about a Straitjacket, or a Tom Horn Belt. I have never done an escape before, but i have 5 months to work on it. I want to know if i may be able to do it. If these arent good for now, what should i try. i ha ve about 2050to spend on a n escape. Thank you


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 6:17 am 
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There have been some good, overweight escapologists in the biz, but you have to be careful. Keep the escapes simple (not physically demanding). Tom Horn Belt is good; just make sure you get one sized to fit. Straitjacket is also good; use a gaffed jacket to start until you are physically fit to tackle a regulation jacket (if you decide to do so).
Simple rope and chain effects are also good, including the 75' challenge tie.

I do recommend a campaign to lose the excess pounds if you want more flexibility in what you can do (isometrics; free weights; yoga; aerobics).
I can sympathize, as my weight has gone up and down over the years, and I am currently working to shed a few pounds (harder now since I am a few weeks from turning 50)

Good luck.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:08 pm 
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Thanks, do you know where i can get a gaffed strait jacket and are they examinable? I am going to be performing this for my Family Reunion in about 5 months along with a magic show. I want the trick to look hard and take a couple of minutes. Overall, do you reccomend the Tom Horn belt or a gimmicked strait jacket. I have another question about straitjackets. I heard to escape from one (i dont know if this is exposure) you have to actully dislocate your shoulder. Is this true? Thanks


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:42 pm 
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Cannons Great Escapes has them.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:11 am 
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Thanks, do you know where i can get a gaffed strait jacket and are they examinable? I want the trick to look hard and take a couple of minutes. Overall, do you reccomend the Tom Horn belt or a gimmicked strait jacket. I have another question about straitjackets. I heard to escape from one (i dont know if this is exposure) you have to actully dislocate your shoulder. Is this true?


David is right; Cannon's is the best source.
Most gaffed jackets are fairly examinable, but I have never had a jacket 'examined.' A straitjacket is so straightforward-looking that an 'examination' rarely, if ever, becomes an issue.
You definitely want it to look hard, but don't go beyond about a minute-and-a-half to escape (I usually take about a minute, and that's plenty).
Given a choice, get the straitjacket; it's a familiar device and the idea of being encased from neck-to-hips in a restraint has a strong impact on an audience.
The 'shoulder dislocation' myth was a Houdini horror story intended to discourage imitators. You don't need to dislocate anything to do a straitjacket escape.


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I think i am going to get a straitjacket and one of the dixie dooley DVDs, what size should i get? I weigh 260 and i have a 38-40 inch waist. I am about 6 foot and growing. I dont want to waist my money cause i dont have much. thanks


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TRISWYATT wrote:
I think i am going to get a straitjacket and one of the dixie dooley DVDs, what size should i get? I weigh 260 and i have a 38-40 inch waist. I am about 6 foot and growing. I dont want to waist my money cause i dont have much. thanks


Just a warning, dont get Dixies dvd for the straitjacket or handcuff picking. Neither are covered very well.

And size wise; most say to go a size larger, giving you moving room.

The best way I found to escape from a Strait jacket is to put it on, and experiment.

I do a slightly different method every time, as I allow people to chain me up with 20ft of chain.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:59 am 
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You might invest in John Novak's 'Art of Escape' volume, "Escapes from a Strait Jacket." Cannon offers a discount on this book if you buy it along with a straitjacket.

Cannon's site gives guidelines on straitjacket sizing for each model (on the purchasing details page for each one).


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:02 pm 
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I think i am going to get his jacket http://www.performancejackets.com/Snap% ... Jacket.htm . I think i will buy it gimmicked since there is no real differance in the prices. Should i get it normal colored or would it be ok to get a black, red or some other cool color one. would this make it look fake? Should i still get a book/dvd if i get it gimmicked? Thanks


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:44 pm 
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Any particular reason for settling on a snap-hook jacket? Price, maybe?

For a good regulation jacket, with actual straps, at a good price:

http://handcuffwarehouse.com/hurestja.html


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:52 pm 
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I own both kinds, and prefer straps. I finally cut off the sleeves of the hook one.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:33 pm 
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you want a little smaller than your size so its harder for you to get out but still easly to get out. I get a bright color so it stands out like red, which is the color i have.

I have a clip but have another that is strapes

-MagicTay


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:30 pm 
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Okay, call me old-fashioned, I think a straitjacket looks more 'legit' when it's made from white canvas.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:39 pm 
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Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
Okay, call me old-fashioned, I think a straitjacket looks more 'legit' when it's made from white canvas.


Agreed. And it relates in their mind to the hospital or prison/insane asylum. It gives more to the "act".

I would go against what genious says. As you are slightly larger, no offense, I would either get your size or even go a size larger. It will give you more freedom and make it slightly easier. Going smaller will make it harder, and might not even fit right- and if you get some one who knows what they are doing you might not get out- especially if your new.

But since your getting a gimmicked one, I recommend getting your size- not smaller, not bigger.

And again since its gimmicked, get white, to draw less attention to it.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:26 pm 
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Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
Any particular reason for settling on a snap-hook jacket? Price, maybe?

For a good regulation jacket, with actual straps, at a good price:

http://handcuffwarehouse.com/hurestja.html


What is the differance between a snap hook jacket and a strap jacket? Price is why i want that one, and plus its gimmicked.


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