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Balloon swallowing for children?
Yes 19%  19%  [ 5 ]
No 81%  81%  [ 22 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:05 pm 
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I like to do SAW and Paperclip through arm for the kids. Occasionally I will throw in Staked, where i stick a huge nail through my foot. They love it! :]


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mikeoo92 wrote:
Ok, I feel like I am repeating myself.
I know I should do more research and stuff.
And I do have experience with kids.
The balloon thing is one thing that I was wrong on. OK fine.


Also when you said it will bite you I could not stop laughing!

You keep saying okay you get it! But its more of like an ok i get it that you would give your mom when she cleans your room. You just want us off your case and to tell you how good your birthday party routine is. If you want praise on your routine, show your family. If you want constructive criticism, you come here.


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I do want constructive criticism.

Its just difficult to have constructive criticism on the internet.

And I do very much appreciate all the criticism.

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nick are you sure it would be a good idea to saw you like to do saw paper clip through arm and stacked here? have you seen all the comments?


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mikeoo92 wrote:
Also the experince i have with kids.
is little birthdays.
and my signature finisher is the super chair (witch me and my dad made)
and realy visual tricks like.

If thats what you were asking
I won't mention anything about the legal stuff, as others have already covered it.

You need to expand on your experience with kids. You say little birthdays. That gives us nothing. That could mean you were at a birthday show and did a couple of card tricks. Your experience seems as if it's nothing. Plus, with the list of videos that you said you had, it seems that you mainly know close-up magic. Not good for stage shows. You also say that you do really visual tricks. That means absolutely nothing. That's like me saying I use really funny comedy. It gives no information at all.

You need to do research on kids magic. Pick up some books and videos on the subject. There is a plethora of information out there that you can read, and study that will actually help you. There are courses that you can take that will give you the foundation that you need to succeed as a magician. Yes, it will cost you some money, and it will take up your time, but if magic is something you want to make a profession, then it's well worth doing so. I've invested in several courses just to make my business better, and to expand what I do. And I've spent a lot of time researching other areas of entertainment besides just magic. Take some classes in acting, or pantomime. I'm sure your school offers drama classes, or speech classes. Join some extracurricular activities like speech, debate, student congress, drama, etc. Anything with public speaking. It helps in the long run. Take advantage of what your school is offering.

Magic is much more than just effects. From what you've said, you don't seem to understand that. You keep focusing on the effects. But you have to learn much more.

Finally, I know this is repeating myself, but give us more information about your experience with kids. You keep saying that you do, but it seems quite obvious that you don't. So please show us wrong. How many shows have you done? How many kids were at the shows? What type of magic did you do? What type of venue was it? Etc.


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Ok I plane on reading allot more on kid magic.
I am guessing that maybe I am getting stage magic confused along with kid magic right?

anyways
my experience with kid magic is

age- 9-12

were- neighbors birthdays partys (those were for free)

how many-about 8 different actual shows.

how many kids were at the shows- about 15-20 each show

some of the effects I did were penut butter and jelly illusion,
hummer card, d'lites, super chair,
mostly levitations.
normally i would pick one helper. I would look for the quietest shiest kid there, and ask for his help. Then that would be at the first part of the show. and he would do a little trick like if i needed a cane for dancing cane.
(before hand i would tell him what to do when he got on stage) and i would ask him for a cane and he would do appearing cane. then I would just use the dancing cane.
And at the end I would do super chair. And I would also do wand to diploma and give him the diploma of assistance or what ever.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:16 pm 
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Right, i dont treat 9-12s as kids. Maybe some do, but i dont, i treat them as very close to adults in terms of magic, presentation varies slightly but not the tricks.

No i class 4-8 year olds as kids, and then EVERYTHING changes.

Elementry school? I find it hard to comprehend as im from england, would i be right in thinking ages 7-11? If so i hope you are performing for the older ones with your very limited "experience"?

Id seriously suggest watching some pros, as i guarantee you will sit back, look at your show, and think, how the edited could i ever get away with performing this! Then buy books and dvds on kids shows, its a very specialist subject in magic.

I also dont suggest kids shows to under 18s, but that has been done to death so i wont go too far into that.

You either have it or you dont with kids. You have to really really like kids to do kids shows, with the exception of a few extremely talented performers. I dont think you can comprehend with the way a childs mind thinks at 15, you need to be older, it comes with maturity and life experience, not practice. Alot of 15 year olds say they like kids, but could you enjoy spending time, playing what they like to play, doing what they want to do, etc without magic, and keep them entertained? I remember being 15 thinking i could do it, looking back, all i did was look a bit stupid to be honest.


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I don't think using the shiest kid is the best of ideas. You're basically drawing out the kid that would be the most uncomfortable up there, instead of pulling up someone that would comfortable and more willing to help. Just a thought...


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adjones wrote:
I don't think using the shiest kid is the best of ideas. You're basically drawing out the kid that would be the most uncomfortable up there, instead of pulling up someone that would comfortable and more willing to help. Just a thought...


well I do that because if he is way to relaxed and gets p there and messes something up it will look bad.
If i get a calmed down kid who i think would listen carefully.

i should rephrase what i said before
maybe not so shy but responsible.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:27 pm 
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No, still wrong, it is all in the skill you have with the kids. You have to control a kids without it looking controlled.

Read my above post.


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ukcop wrote:
No, still wrong, it is all in the skill you have with the kids. You have to control a kids without it looking controlled.


??
Like umm I should be able to take any kid on stage?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:29 pm 
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Yes.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:30 pm 
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well what happens when a big rowdy kid gets on stage and starts running around?

I am just asking what would you do?


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This is the point. It comes with experience. If you get experience with kids in other fields than magic, you can learn this without messing up the magic. Using a kids like this really enhances the whole experience. I establish fun and control and the start.

How old are the kids you generally perform for? And how old will they be in your next show?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:33 pm 
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thay are genrealy

9-12
and iam performing for

8-11


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:34 pm 
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mikeoo92 wrote:
I am a babysitter, i just didnt want to mention that...


RIght, so surely you know how to control kids then?

Also i wouldnt call it girlyish as such, more dangerous for a boy nearly 16 years old.

Im sorry but you cant perform and expect respect for kids as little as just 3 years below you.


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