dbaker_creator, I think you didn't really understand me on some points. I'm just replying to clarify.
Let's not forget the publicity stunt magicians, escape artists, and alike that have done thousands of large scale illusions vs Angel's 30or so.
Come on, that's just not true, he has done hundreds of different things. Even if you only counted the big illusions, you can't be serious by saying "30 or so"... average less than 1 trick in every 3rd episode or what?
And I'm counting every effect he's ever done, stunts, illusions, small tricks and whatever, not only on the Mindfreak series but also in his former live show and his 2 tv specials.
There have been 67 aired episodes of Mindfreak - that's 67 "big stunts" repeating some of them - hence he's done roughly 40 without blatant repetition "30 or so".
Counting "every effect he's ever done" it's not even a contest. Compare every effect I've ever done to every effect he's done - even I would win that contest - let alone Lance Burton and the alike.
You seem to be misinformed as to what professional magicians do - most of us spend no less than 20 hours per week performing - that's hundreds of effects on a weekly basis easily blowing away any numbers Criss has going.
And I don't think that he has much free time anymore to learn and practice completely new stuff. So he has to repeat things he has already done and give them a new look.
That's not exactly a defense Ananya. "He doesn't have time to practice" is simply a lack of professionalism on his part. He needs to spend less time dating celebrities and partying and more time practicing.
I didn't mean it as a defense, it's just a fact. And who are you to judge about the way he spends the little free time he has? I would never do something like this, it's his life not ours. You think it's a lack of professionalism not to work 24/7? He has the Mindfreak series, the upcoming live show, he will participate in the film adaptation of "Mandrake the magician" and you don't even grant him an evening in a club after work. Oh well...
He's a performer, he is judged by his performance and anyone who watches is entitled to judge him as they see fit - by performing, he submits to te judgements of the audience.
I don't think it's a lack of professionalism not to work 24/7, but I do think it's a lack of professionalism not to practice your effects before you use them on TV. In contrast, if I have a show to do tomorrow, I don't go clubbing tonight. I have a responsibility to my audience to put on a good show - so does Criss.
By the way, last I heard that movie was cancelled.
I didn't. I already knew how he did the swimming pool walk, and I didn't really care about seeing him walk on a lake.
And that's exactly what I wanted to point out: my impression in this moment is that you are a magician trying to speak for the layman, and that's just an illusion. You know how he walked on water and didn't want to see it again, fine. But that's because you are a magician! Somebody who's not into magic and doesn't know how he did it has a total different experience in this case.
My cousin, a huge Angel fan, gave me a detailed explanation of his water walk minutes after the show - her explanation was spot on.
She, like so many others, lost interest in the show after the second season.
Let me give you an example of a "typical layman's thoughts", I can do that because I know many people who think like this and I'm into magic just for a short time now:
Not being in magic long doesn't give you the ability to determine what laymen think.
Unless you ARE a laymen, you simply don't think like one.
Unless you've spent ALOT of time working with spectators - you don't know how they think.
Maybe somebody has seen a magician walk on an aquarium on stage before. Of course he's impressed, but after a while he thinks "well on stage everything is possible".
You'll have a hard time finding laymen that are smart enough to figure out that you can control a stage but stupid enough to miss that you can control TV viewing. I can't tell you how many spectators have commented on Angel's "obvious camera tricks" and "eh, it's TV magic."
In reality, most people are far more impressed when they see something live - maybe it's a stage, but I know there wasn't any camera editing.
I'm not going to argue with you about what you said about the Loyals- that's your impression and your opinion and you'r entitled to it. I just say that I know it better because I am one myself and I know many others personally.
"I'm not going to argue with your opinion, but your opinion is wrong" - interesting.
You probably only know about those who write childish posts under youtube videos and online tabloids. I know that they make the Loyals look bad, but I guarantee you not all of us are like this.
Rather presumptuous of you to assume that you know anything about me or where I get my information. In reality, I've lurked the Loyals area many time and have seen very little beyond blind devotion.
Well for the rest of what you said, we have total different opinions about some things and we would only go in circles...
Translation: You made a statement you can't back-up and don't want to discuss it anymore.
Just one last thing for the Copperfield issue, ask random people on the streets what they think is more impressive, the vanish of the Statue of Liberty or the Torn and Restored... Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't want to decry anything. But there's a reason why he's popular for that big effect, don't you agree?
A more accurate test is to show someone footage of the statue of liberty vanish (video being the original viewing format anyway) and to show them a T&R effect in person - I can guarantee that the T&R will get the better reaction. People like things that are done in person - and they already know that TV magicians use camera tricks to get the job done.
People love those big illusions, and that's what they remember for the rest of their lives.
I performed an ACR effect for a man in a bar almost five years ago, and I saw him at a charity event last month. He's kept the card in his wallet since the night I performed it for him "to remind me that anything is possible".
There are countless stories of the same nature - almost all of them are about close-up card magic.
Most people's first exposure to magic is a card trick - that's the trick they remember for the rest of thier lives.
I don't know about viewer levels and so on because I don't even live in America and always have to wait until the next episode finds its way to youtube. All I heard was that about 10 million people watched the building implosion escape, on tv and on the live webcast, and that Mindfreak is the series that has the highest viewer levels on A&E.
Having the highest viewer ratings "on A&E" isn't much to brag about. The average Seinfeld episode got over 20million viewers - in the days when there where no webcasts of shows.
Long story short, 10million isn't that impressive.
I believe when Rob said, "I want to like Criss".
He meant, "I want to like the spokesman of our industry - who happens to be Criss."
I'd have to agree with that, though it's a shame that Criss technically is our spokesman.
Wait, you really mean what you say, right? You see Criss as your spokesman?
That's not quite what I said.
Criss is the magician (and I use the term loosely) with the highest visibility right now - he is therefore "our spokesman" by definition - in the public's view anyway.
My point was that it's sad that Criss is the spokesman for magic, since he doesn't represent the art accurately nor does he do it a service by representing it as he does.