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 Post subject: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:33 am 
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First of all, I do like what David has done for our community. But, as I was watching he performed the trick from PH's Art of Astonishment 2, where you change the name of Secretary into your own name. Great trick! But, he took it way to far and used stooges, and had there name signed. It is possible to obtain what their signature looks like, by having her sign her name and someone of a loved for example, then do a mentalism effect. Setup up the trick and duplicate their signature. It is painstaking and I have only done this once. But he did this multiple times, with stooges!

As Always, The Culprit

And, you all may have seen this video hopefully. But here is something that made me laugh after watching Blaine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxu_MQSTTY


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:54 am 
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Its getting bad on T.V. all the T.V. magic is using way to many stooges now days. Thay need to stop and start doing real magic...............


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 9:06 am 
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You are correct. He could do tons of effects, without a stooge, and get the same reaction, if not better!


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:46 am 
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Do you have to take the magician's oath if you are a stooge?


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2010 11:16 am 
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Yes, and have a background in Acting. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:31 am 
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He could of done the method you just explained but edited it for tv. that would make a lot of sense. I have seen blaine do this before. he does it with his version of lite. he edits out the parts he doesn't want us to see to show us only what he wants to see.


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 12:53 pm 
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ElConquistador wrote:
Do you have to take the magician's oath if you are a stooge?


Just to clarify, a lot of magician's staff and crew that aren't magicians (for many big names) have to sign non-disclosure agreements to protect the secrets, and are subject to large fines if they fail to comply.

-JT


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:52 pm 
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miniserb725 wrote:
ElConquistador wrote:
Do you have to take the magician's oath if you are a stooge?


Just to clarify, a lot of magician's staff and crew that aren't magicians (for many big names) have to sign non-disclosure agreements to protect the secrets, and are subject to large fines if they fail to comply.

-JT


Like that guy who worked for David Copperfield and then wrote that book exposing all of his biggest tricks.

He got slammed, and the publisher lost a lot of money as they had to take back all the books.


So, in summary, a non-disclosure agreement is much more effective than a magician's oath. Penguin should require one with every order.


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:16 pm 
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miniserb725 wrote:
ElConquistador wrote:
Do you have to take the magician's oath if you are a stooge?


Just to clarify, a lot of magician's staff and crew that aren't magicians (for many big names) have to sign non-disclosure agreements to protect the secrets, and are subject to large fines if they fail to comply.

-JT

No they are not "fines." Fines are for criminal cases but they do have to pay LARGE penalties. Penalty refers to civil cases. This is American legal terms other countries may be different.


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:41 pm 
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trexdude wrote:
He could of done the method you just explained but edited it for tv. that would make a lot of sense. I have seen blaine do this before. he does it with his version of lite. he edits out the parts he doesn't want us to see to show us only what he wants to see.


If by Lite, you mean "Lit" by Dan Hauss and Dan White, that is incorrect. The signed version he did is talked about on the "Lit" DVD and can be done in front of a spectator with no stooges or preshow work.

There might have been editing, but nothing that you couldn't do yourself in front of a layperson.


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:25 pm 
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Thank you. I just read this post over earlier today and though "what did I mean by lite?"


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:16 am 
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paddy wrote:
No they are not "fines." Fines are for criminal cases but they do have to pay LARGE penalties. Penalty refers to civil cases. This is American legal terms other countries may be different.


Do NOT listen to Paddy, sorry but he is WRONG about this.
Wrong, inccorect, and erroneous

According to law.com, an American legal site, you have once again posted false information. "Penalties" are also for criminal cases, not only civil cases.
http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1491

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penalty
n. 1) in criminal law, a money fine or forfeiture of property ordered by the judge after conviction for a crime.


Furthermore, according to http://www.findlaw.com, which is also a reference for American law, you have also once again posted incorrect information. "Fines" can be paid in civil cases.
http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/script ... f157d3b9d2


www.findlaw.com wrote:
fine
2: a forfeiture or penalty paid to an injured party in a civil action



(Helpful post #33 - although some might construe this as a little direct and unflattering, it still definately qualifies as helpful)



This post does not create an attorney-client relationship with any reader. In other words, I’m not your lawyer. In fact, we don't know each other. If you need personalized legal advice, contact an attorney in your community. You shouldn't rely on my posts for your legal advice. And you definatley shouldn't rely on Paddy's posts for your legal advice.


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 11:31 am 
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Nice disclaimer, ElConquistador.

-JT


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 Post subject: Re: Watched David Blaine's "What is Magic?" A few thoughts.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 7:50 pm 
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aces_up_41 wrote:
Its getting bad on T.V. all the T.V. magic is using way to many stooges now days. Thay need to stop and start doing real magic...............

How is using a stooge any different than using a simple DL card change? You are just deceiving your audience in a different way. Magic is about leaving someone with an experience. If you can get away with using a stooge, go for it.


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