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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:00 am 
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Are there any common sources for the sideshow stunt of hammering a nail up the nose?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:14 am 
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Dylan on the forums here can probably help you out.


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I have a friend that works for Ringling Brothers and does it with a power drill...


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I can't think of any sources off hand. However, I, among others on this site, don't advise one to try to learn this stunt from a printed, or even a video source. It is quite dangerous, and shouldn't be attempted unless supervised by a professional. Simply for the fact that, if not done properly, can seriously injure you.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 4:07 am 
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I thank your enthusiasm for the sideshow arts but I think you need to ask yourself a few questions first.

1. Why do you want to perform this stunt. It is odd and a little stupid. So why?

2. Are you willing to contend with the danger involved. Any stunt like this is very foolish. While I learned this stunt I suffered frequent nosebleeds at odd moments during the day, as well as a feeling of pressure under my eye (probably the blood). It went away but looking back...


Well I post this same thing for everyone that asks this so here I go again.


This was posted at The Magic Cafe.

Once again, we get "how-to" questions about performance of some of the acts. I wrote this piece for Sideshow World, and think it's a good thing to have here also, as a reminder.


"EVEN THE SIMPLEST STUNT, IS A POTENTIAL DISASTER!"
Advice for the Up and Coming

In the good old days, the ones we keep hearing about, it only rained so we could tell stories about it. The lot was always green and even. The sky was always blue, even at night. Nobody got too cold, too hot, or sunburned. There were so many people in the midway, and every one of them just HAD to see your show. They all stuffed money into your hands, and ran into the tent, not even waiting to get change!

But unless you were a prodigy of nature, it wasn't possible to just walk into a sideshow, and expect to be hired.

You might get hired, yes, but not for anything that required any great skill. (Ladies and Gentlemen, here's where you'll see The Fakir...the Man Who Reclines on the Bed of Pain, Completely Impervious to a Thousand Sharp Nails!)

Then somebody would take you to the bed, and tell you how to lie down on it, maybe even show you. And that'd be your act, with maybe ten minutes of training.

You'd be at the bottom of the ladder socially, and in terms of pay. You'd be even farther down than the magician. And since you did the act bareback, you hardly needed any costume, which saved money. You could use an old shirt for a turban.

But it was a job. You'd be around other performers, and after a while, if they liked you, and liked your attitude, they might just teach you something new. Sometimes you had to pay them, but they'd teach you.

You'd be off on a grand adventure, sometimes learning new acts, sometimes getting to put them on stage. Hopefully it increased your value...the more acts you knew, the more money you made. After all, it's a show, but it's still business.

And you got a lot of practice...12 hours a day or more, in some places, of going onstage a few times an hour to amaze those gaping spectators with something they'd never seen before, and could barely imagine.

The good old days are gone. Those shows are gone. It rains a lot more. Thanks to air pollution, things are warming up and we get more sunburned. The show lots are full of folks who saw a weird dude do something cool on that Ripley show on TV, the other night, what was the channel? The show lots are run by people who'd rather sell rides.

This creates a series of problems for those of us who continue to perform traditional stunts, and those who'd like to learn. The on-the-job training, has all but disappeared.

Here's a rule: EVEN THE SIMPLEST STUNT, IS A POTENTIAL DISASTER!

Life's changed. Now we have the Worldwide Web. Just do a search, and you can have more information at your fingertips in five minutes, than most people had available, a hundred years ago, for their whole lives.

Most of us, who read this, live in a place where a nominal form of democracy exists. One person, one vote (no money changing hands). Information is supposed to be available, for the asking, so that we can make informed choices.

Here's a rule for stunts: WRITTEN INFORMATION, IS NOT ENOUGH!

I'm told that I'm an expert, whatever that is. I make a living from performance, and I'm good at it. I tend to push some of the stunts farther than my predecessors, and quite a few other performers have seen enough value in my innovations, that I'm frequently copied.

I learned the basics from other performers, NOT from books. This enabled me to work with master performers, so that they could help me get past some of my personal roadblocks. We all have those roadblocks. (If you say you don't, you're lieing to yourself, a lot worse than you're lieing to anybody else, but you're the one who will suffer the consequences.)

Among other things, it enabled me to learn to do stunts as safely as possible.

Because I'm insatiably curious, I've read almost every book that's been written on these stunts. There are a few that describe parts of the stunts well, and parts of training for them, but not one hits the nail on the head.

Recently I read a posting in a discussion group. Some of you will recognize the story. Some will recognize the person.

A young man went to the library and found a book (I think I know which one) which described an old act called "The Man Who Can't Be Hanged". He thought he'd learned the "secrets" of the act, and wanted to go right out and try it. So he jumped off a bench, with a noose around his neck, and wrenched his neck.

I know this stunt well. I performed it for a number of years, before finally inventing a new style, where I like the presentation. There are a couple of ways of doing it straight. There are several ways to fake it. But it's dangerous. If you do it right, there's still a reasonable probability of getting hurt. If you do it wrong, you're in deep trouble.

The book the young man found, contains only part of the important information. The young man's lucky that he only wrenched his neck. He still thinks he has the "secret". He still thinks he knows what he's doing.

I expect it's only a question of time before I read his obituary.

Here's a rule: IT'S NOT A QUESTION OF "IF" SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG. THE QUESTIONS ARE "WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN?" AND "HOW BAD WILL IT BE?"

In martial arts, the student learns from the master. The student doesn't have the opportunity to learn something new, until he or she is ready. It's a way of insuring that the student will use potentially dangerous techniques, in a responsible manner. A "death grip" isn't taught to a 5 year old kid, in the first lesson. It takes training and maturity, to prepare for the next level of work. Sound familiar?

Here's a rule: THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT GOALS OF TRAINING, ARE HOW TO DO A STUNT, AND WHAT TO DO, WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG.

You can't learn that from a book.

In this work, I've gotten cuts and abrasions of various shapes, sizes, and locations. I've ripped muscles, broken bones, had assorted burns of various degrees, damaged my eyes and lungs, and been hit a few times with a badly swung sledge hammer. On several occasions, I've escaped suffocation by a hair. And I know what I'm doing.

So what's my point? Easy. Please...don't think for a minute, that if you read something in a book, it's all you need to know. It's not, not, not. To learn this material right, you absolutely MUST learn it from someone who knows it well, who can help you through your personal roadblocks, teach you good stunt-technique, and help you learn how to present the material to the audience.

Forget the books. Forget the internet. Let them give you a dream of what may be possible, but find a professional for training.

Where? I don't know of many places. You don't want to go to somebody who just says "take this and shove it into the bodily orifice of your choice". You don't want to go to a person who just started doing a stunt, and has very little relevant experience.

You should go to people who have been doing these things for a long time, who know the material inside and out.

You could go to the Coney Island Sideshow School. Todd Robbins is their professor, and very few people have his breadth of knowledge, his passion for the art, and his ability to clearly communicate. They have classes a couple of times a year.

You can contact me. I'm frequently hired as a consultant, for a variety of creative services, including stunt and performance technique.

Todd and I have different specialty stunts, different styles of showmanship, different focuses for our teaching.

I know of others who say they teach, but I'm hesitant to recommend teachers whose ethical standards or technical abilities, are unknown to me. This is, after all, a business where a lot of people build their reputations by tricking the public.

With a stunt, you can't afford to be tricked.






Well I hoped that has helped. If not all I can say is contact me but even then I may not help.


Dylan


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:42 pm 
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EDIT

BTW, Dylan you need to edit your post too.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:56 pm 
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evanbishop wrote:
http://www.zombo.com/ In case you want to learn it :wink:




Please do not try to learn from that video. The guy learning was being taught directly from a professional who could see and assert dangers as they occurred. He can not do that for you at home and I am sure that if Rev got hurt Evanbishop would be willing to take responsibility for giving him the information.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 8:14 pm 
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Thank you all for your responses.

Fallingblood - Thanks for the advice. I will have a chat to some people in my local area.

Dylan - Thanks for your response and the essay you posted. I had not read that before and it was informative and well written. Your questions were actually very helpful too; I think it is always appropriate to question oneself.
1. I believe I want to do it for the same reason I do magic. I like how it looks and I like the reaction people get from watching it. It is very odd and very stupid and it is for those reasons that I am expressing interest in learning it.
2. You cannot want to hammer a nail into your face and expect that it'll be fine. I am cautious and safe when it comes to these type of things, however, and I believe that to be important. Do you know why you were getting nosebleeds? I thought the thing about it was that it went into your nasal cavity. Why was it bleeding? I know that you KNOW how to do it and are practised in it...but do you perform it?
Thanks again for your response.

evanbishop - Thanks for the link, but I might refrain from learning this one off the net and have a talk with some friends i have who do some sideshow stuff.

Thanks again for all responses.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 9:01 pm 
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I just posted it for future reference. I deleted so no one else could see it now though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:15 pm 
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Yes I do perform it quite often. I am not sure where the the blood thing came from but it almost never happened while I did the effect. Yes the nail goes into the nasal passage but you must remember that that is untouched ground. It is very tender in there and can become inflamed easily. Your mouth, although a lot tougher, is a good example. In your mouth if you get a small cut or puncture it can develop into a cold sore very easily. How do you think that will feel in your nose.

Please seek out a professional before performing this stunt. I would hate to hear that something terrible happened to you.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:48 am 
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Thankyou once again for your concern and your response. I shall keep you updated.
Peace,
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