i read the on foot description again...and what im wondering is why couldnt it be the one DC does..instead of making it appear on his own shoe he could make it appear on a baby shoe...well let me know your input....here is the description "The Miracle Ring on Shoelace. The magician borrows a spectator's finger ring and places it under a handkerchief. The ring can be seen and felt by the spectator until the very last second, when the handkerchief falls open and the ring has completely vanished! Moments later, the magician points to his shoe and the spectator's ring is seen hanging from one of the loops in his laces! The loop is untied and the spectator himself slides the ring off the lace!" this is what DC does but instead it is on a babies'shoe instead....well ill tell ya what..im buying it then we'll find out for sure..

let me know what you think.....
one last question...is fast and loose really worth it..im not sure if i wanna pay 40 dollars for a chain...cause im pretty sure its a normal chain and its just sleight of hand.....so let me know....thanks again
nick white
usmc scout sniper