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 Post subject: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:19 pm 
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I am a hobbyist that prefers close up/visual magic. I have Toosh and am very pleased with the creativity of this gimmick. I also like how I can perform it in the spectator's hand.

I would like to include a visual vanish of one of the cards instead of showing it go into a pocket per the routine. Could anyone offer advice regarding which would be best for this: The Raven or TKO? I do not own either one, though I am familiar with the Raven. My concern is whether it is possible to set up for the Raven or TKO in the middle of Toosh.


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 1:50 pm 
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Without revealing the Raven, it would require that one of the cards you are vanishing contain a certain thing for the Raven to work... the TKO gets great reviews but may be too expensive... look into a toppit =]


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:25 pm 
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TKO or a topit. The Raven only works under test conditions with perfect items. Although it requires more practice, TKO and topits are much more versatile and overall better.


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 4:08 pm 
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Your best bet for a visual card vanish is to learn a good change. Most toppiting vanishes happen on the off beat after a more classic technique has been used to vanish the object. The notable exception to this is the reverse pitch, which for reasons I won't get into, doesn't work very well with a card.


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:32 pm 
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Thank you for the feedback. That is helpful.


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:40 am 
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If you still prefer a clean vanish over a change I recommend the TKO but not for just a single vanish at the end of one routine. Going the lengths to wear a TKO one should desire to perform additional vanishes. I imagine you were thinking this anyway. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:27 am 
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Also, welcome to the forums TarHeel ;)

Happy holidays

-Widding


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 Post subject: Re: Raven or The Kaylor Option (TKO) with Toosh
PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:35 pm 
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you noticed :)

thanks all for the advice.


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