View Cart | View Account | Help
Order by phone: 800-880-2592
Check out our favorite NEW ARRIVALS
Need it fast? Order before 4pm Eastern and your order ships SAME DAY.

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: Nervous about
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:47 pm 
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 12 Dec 2005
Posts: 881
Restaurant walk around sounds great. And I was half thinking about trying to get into a restaurant and do magic. But I was wondering, what do you do for people who come back and back to the restaurant. Do you ever run out of tricks? If you have the same group of people that go to that restaurant 2 or 3 times a month, after 6 months or so won’t you completely run out of tricks? How do you cope with this? Do you just have to learn new tricks or what?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:14 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 675
Location: Virginia Beach
This is a good one. You obviously can't continue to learn more and more tricks and perform them at the same level at which you perform your best/favorite tricks. I'm not saying you can't learn more, but I am saying it will be awhile before the new ones are anywhere close to the performance level of the old ones. I am finding myself in the exact situation that you mention. It's good to have repeat customers (good for the restaurant and flattering for you knowing they returned to see your magic again).

Some restaurant magicians will say to only pack 3 or 4 tricks and repeat them throughout the night. I personally disagree with this because one, it will get boring real quick...and two, you won't seem too much like a magician if the table you just performed for, sees you perform the same exact tricks to a table near them. The though would be "man! Is that all he knows". The other issue is that you need to have a few kid friendly tricks as well (depending on the type of restaurant). At any one given time in a restaurant, I am prepared with 10-15 different effects that include coins, paper money effects, rubberbands, pens, silks, TT, Jumbo Coin, paper bag, sponge balls/rabbits, jigger (chop-cup routine), etc. And of course I have a deck of cards from which I can peform many, many effects. This might seem like a lot, but I carry what confortably fits in the various pockets between my jacket and pants pockets. This works for me but it may not be for everyone. It certainly has helped with some repeat customers who request me everytime.

Now since there are only so many kids effects that you can pack on you and perform in a walk-around restaurant atmosphere, this has started to pose a problem. I've been dealing with this recently with a few families that have come back 4 and 5 times in the past 2 months. Of course I always want to show them something they haven't seen, but there's always going to be a limit to the amount of current stuff you perform as well as new stuff you can bring in such a short time.

My recommendation would be to milk all of your effects to the maximum length of time possible (keeping it entertaining of course) and perform fewer effects for tables involving kids. This way, if they come back, you'll have other material to do. Additionally, even though kids don't always get the card and money tricks, you can start with a kid effect and then tell the parents/adults that you don't want to leave them out, so you're going to do some just for them. Then you can have a little more variety. Before you know it, the food will come and you'll be done with that table anyway.

As for learning new tricks, you're always going to have your favorites that you'll keep doing forever. However, it's always a good thing to learn new tricks and further your knowledge in magic and presentation to become a more well-rounded entertainer.

Keep in mind, these are just my thoughts and opinions. Others may not agree and others will have there own opinions. The truth is, if you get a steady restaurant gig, you'll be inclined to learn new stuff to keep from getting bored doing the same things night after night or week after week. You might think that's not possible, but it is. So for now, just master what you've got including handling, presentation, audience control, ect.

Good luck.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:04 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Moderator

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Posts: 4110
Location: Milford OH
One of my mentors who still, to this day, appears at Magic Castle 4 times a year, told me when I first got started. "A good magician will take a deck of cards and do a 1 hour to 90 minute show with it. Add 5 coins and you have a 2 and a half hour show."

With just those 2 props to have a 2 and a half hour show should give you enoujgh so that you don't have to worry about repeating.

Peter


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:57 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 675
Location: Virginia Beach
paddy wrote:
One of my mentors who still, to this day, appears at Magic Castle 4 times a year, told me when I first got started. "A good magician will take a deck of cards and do a 1 hour to 90 minute show with it. Add 5 coins and you have a 2 and a half hour show."

With just those 2 props to have a 2 and a half hour show should give you enoujgh so that you don't have to worry about repeating.

Peter


This is very true Peter. But what about the kids? Do you find those repeat customers more difficult...or are your restaurants mainly adults?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:29 pm 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Posts: 185
Location: Williamsville, New York
creecy wrote:
This is very true Peter. But what about the kids? Do you find those repeat customers more difficult...or are your restaurants mainly adults?


Yeah I have also had some trouble with repeat customers mostly kids. It is hard for me to remember what I showed who. Now I pretty much make a different routine for each week that I perform at that restaurant. Any incite on repeat customers and repeating effects would be help full.

Next
"]
paddy wrote:
One of my mentors who still, to this day, appears at Magic Castle 4 times a year, told me when I first got started. "A good magician will take a deck of cards and do a 1 hour to 90 minute show with it. Add 5 coins and you have a 2 and a half hour show."

With just those 2 props to have a 2 and a half hour show should give you enough so that you don't have to worry about repeating.

Peter


I have heard this quote before. But I always thought that if you performed for that long with only those two props, even if you do not repeat yourself, it will all start to look a lot alike to your audience.
I know the quote is not to be taken that seriously and it is more of a guide line. I am just putting in my two cents.

-Adam Michael


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:01 am 
User avatar
Offline
Moderator

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Posts: 4110
Location: Milford OH
Cakkid, in a stage or parlour venue, you are right. In a walk around setting that is all you need.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: disagree with a twist
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:06 am 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 292
Location: CT
I disagree a bit with Paddy on this one.
I have also heard that quote (or version of it).
You can do some really great effects with cards and make a mini routine. But just having a pack of cards and doing tricks will wear thin.
I however spruce up my close up routine with added props to cards.
I of course always carry a marker for signed card routines. I also do Jay Sankeys version of Hypnoterize and One of One (both are a version of a signed card routine).
I also use flash paper and deck switched (blank decks, gimmicked decks).
So Cards are a great tool but I feel that with out some changes to the standard pick a card routines it can get dull.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: disagree with a twist
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:43 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 26 Jan 2006
Posts: 675
Location: Virginia Beach
space_ghost15 wrote:
I disagree a bit with Paddy on this one.
I have also heard that quote (or version of it).
You can do some really great effects with cards and make a mini routine. But just having a pack of cards and doing tricks will wear thin.
I however spruce up my close up routine with added props to cards.
I of course always carry a marker for signed card routines. I also do Jay Sankeys version of Hypnoterize and One of One (both are a version of a signed card routine).
I also use flash paper and deck switched (blank decks, gimmicked decks).
So Cards are a great tool but I feel that with out some changes to the standard pick a card routines it can get dull.


space_ghost15,

You may have not quite understood what Paddy was saying. I'm sure he, of course, was not excluding the use of a Sharpie with cards effects. As far as I'm concerned, if you are carrying cards for the purpose of magic, then a Sharpie is part of the cards. They kinda go hand and hand.

If you really think about it though, what he said was every bit of true. I think we're talking more about strolling restaurant magic. With that in mind, you're not going to be doing that many effects to the same people at a given time.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: disagree with a twist
PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:14 pm 
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Posts: 185
Location: Williamsville, New York
space_ghost15 wrote:
I disagree a bit with Paddy on this one.
I have also heard that quote (or version of it).
You can do some really great effects with cards and make a mini routine. But just having a pack of cards and doing tricks will wear thin.
I however spruce up my close up routine with added props to cards.
I of course always carry a marker for signed card routines. I also do Jay Sankeys version of Hypnoterize and One of One (both are a version of a signed card routine).
I also use flash paper and deck switched (blank decks, gimmicked decks).
So Cards are a great tool but I feel that with out some changes to the standard pick a card routines it can get dull.


You are taking the quote to literally. Like I said it is more of a guide line.

Also to Peter. Yeah It would definitely work better in a walk around setting. Good point.

-Adam Michael


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2009 Penguin Magic, Inc.