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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:04 am 
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Hi.
I'm doing table hopping. I found a lot of answers on the David Stone DVD's but I still have a question.
When you have like card tricks that you need to set up, how can you set them up when you are in a restaurant. Do you need like 20 setup decks?
Don't tell me I need to perform tricks that don't require setup because in the Real Secrets of Magic , a lot of tricks need setup.
Does anyone have any advice on that?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:07 am 
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you dont HAVE to do the tricks from that dvd...
BUT you could set up those tricks before you move to the next table...


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No, I now I don't have to perform THOSE tricks, that was just an example.
When you set it up before you go to a table, won't they see?

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Set it up in the bathroom :lol:


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Try to avoid resetting tricks as much as possible, I've noticed that David stone has some tricks were your going to have to set-up, try to set-up while talking with them at the table that way they dont see you setting up, (misdirection). Works for me some times :D



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P.S But try to stay AWAY from tricks having to be set-ups!!!


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So if they catch you while you are setting up, what do you do?

Elliot Carver


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david williamson has a great way of letting a spectator shuffle the cards and keeping like 3 cards you need on the top.
what he does (i hope this isnt considered exposure) he takes the 3 cards he needs, puts them ON the card box, lets the spectator shuffle the cards and then puts the box on the cards and ask the spectator if he would like to shuffle the box as well.
its funny+gets the job done.


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daniel, thanks for your reply.
But I tried what you are saying and I don't know what you mean.
But what does this actually have to do with my question?

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Daniel was giving you a method of maintaining a small stack while the spectator shuffles the deck. Not exactly the same thing you were asking for, but it's a good technique to know. You can see it performed and explained in Williamson's DVD "Sleight of Dave" in his Torn and Restored Transpo effect.

To answer your original question, I think the second-best solution is to work the setup or reset into your presentation. For example, after you've finished the effect, have some interesting/clever things to say to the audience as you put the cards back in the order you need. Or, you could set up the deck at the beginning by culling the needed cards while showing the deck to your audience. (If you don't know how to cull cards, pick up a copy of Iain Morrain's "Cullfather" DVD.)

I don't own either of David Stone's "Real Secrets" DVDs, so I don't know how applicable these techniques are to those specific tricks, but hopefully they'll get you started. But that, IMHO, is the second-best solution.

I think the best thing to do, though, is to do tricks that don't need any setup. There are plenty of powerful impromptu card tricks out there. Learn some of those and the problem goes away. David Stone may perform several effects that require an elaborate setup, but if those tricks don't suit your needs, then you need to find material that does.

Hope this helps.


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ellliotcarver wrote:
No, I now I don't have to perform THOSE tricks, that was just an example.
When you set it up before you go to a table, won't they see?

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Elliot Carver


Of course not, unless you're foolish enough to set up in front of them.


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Some effects need 1 or 2 'special cards' in a regular deck. I keep a small wallet with a bunch of these cards in there. It's easy enough for me to reach in and palm a card in without thinking about it too much ( I do use a pouch which makes it a bit easier).

Obviously some effects are not made for walk around and restaurant venues. (The employer doesn't exactly want the magician he hired to stop at the bathroom every ten minutes) Pick your effects wisely. You can do some setup effects, but just not for every table. Perhaps only a few times that night if it's manageable.

Hope that helps.

Justin


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