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 Post subject: Someone guessed how my svengali worked :(
PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:12 am 
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Hey guys.

I was performing some tricks with my svengali to a group of people when someone yelled out "I know how he does this" and then went on to explain that her brother had once shown her how a stripper deck works. At this point i wasn't too worried cos it was of course wrong and her friends around her let her know how wrong she was...
however, from that, some [Edited] figured out the secret to svengali, and before i could do anything everone was getting all grabby to see if he was right, and i ended up having to put the cards away which just enforced in their minds that that was the secret :(
I didnt have time to deck switch... how can i get out of this in the future if it ever happens again?

[Edited - Profanity]


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:16 am 
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Learn tricks with a regular deck...once you do a few of these, then your spectator(s) won't be thinking about gaffed decks...you will have established yourself as a real magician in their eyes...then when they're off their guard, you can throw in a goofy deck here or there...you won't have anything to get out of...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:29 am 
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Well.... pickup better stuff instead of a gimmick deck and next time you will see the person in confusion. Haha


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:17 pm 
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Yea, the only 2 decks i have that are gimmicked are Sneak a Peak (good, but if they get touchy they find out) and In a flash (Go ahead and be touchy, wont figure it out). I do things w/ normal decks or things that are every day items.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:10 pm 
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Moral of the story?

Unfortunately, the Svengali Deck has become an over-exposed trick sold at ANY magic shop. It's almost a cliche, even among lay people. It's a bit of a bummer but right now you only have two solutions. 1) Carry a regular deck to switch out. Or... 2) Learn your Svengali routine with a regular deck.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:52 am 
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quote:

Magician: "Have you ever helped a magician?"
Spectator: "No."
Magician: "Well your'e not helping one now."

-The Amazing Jonathan

But I would have to agree with the over exposure of this deck. They sell it at gift shops, and I even saw one at Wal-Mart the other day.

And it is a true statement that if you do a few non gaffed effects, then throw in a gaffed effect, you build up that trust, and more importantly, respect.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 8:24 am 
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Sorry, should have clarified a little. Svengali decks and stripper decks are really unknown in my country. We can't even get bike decks or tallys or bees out here unless you go to very speciality stores that export them at massive prices. The only chance of getting good decks is to buy them from casinos, but they are inferior compared to the ones i can buy from penguin.

I had already performed to these people using regular decks. I put my deck aside when my friend asked if i would perform one more trick, so i pulled out my svengali instead of the normal. Thats when it was figured out. I have no idea how he figured it out, I didn't do anything wrong in the performance that i could see :(


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:48 am 
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so no new advice now that i've clarified...?


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:24 pm 
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If you do the part where they put their finger in whenever they want to show that same card then I suguest getting the 5 forces instant download from penguin and use forces, I dont actualy have the instant download but I learned alot of forces from other places. I find it ALOT better when you use a regualr deck because it totaly amazes people, I do a funny routine using this, heres basicly what it is.

Force any card, and do a trick, ACR works best. After that say you want to show them something els, then force the same card, do a trick where you dont see the card this time and act like they're not suppost to get the same card again and they will just think that its a coinsidence and it might get a gigle. After that say that you want to completly shuffle the deck and give them a memory test. Keep track of the card as you shuffle and tell them that they will have to remember about three or four cards. Force the card, then again and agian. At this point they're gigling or laughing, you ask whats so funny and they tell you. You tell them you want to make sure they dont get that card anymore so you get it in position for a DL and flip it and tell them to sandwitch it in their hands, force it one more time and they laugh as they look at the random card in their hand. You say that the card is getting anoying so your going to make it dissapear and do any type of color change you want, I like to use shape shifter. After that I like to say " Ok, if its gone now, I might need it back for later, so its best we find it." then say " ahh, somthing is itching me on my back" and ask if theyre somthing there. They see a folded card PINED to your shirt, all you do is have a douplicat there before the trick. they wont see anything as long as theres only one spec. But if there's more, just have it on the bottom of your pants near your shoe.

POINTERS: Don't use the same force the whole routine long, use at least 3 or 4.

tell me what you think.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 7:15 am 
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Yeah, its a good idea.

I do something like this as well, but i mainly use classic and dribble forces (classic force is a breeze with svengali :twisted: ).... but still, what if someone discovers how the deck works even though svengalis are unheard of to laypeople in my country...?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 12:07 pm 
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then obviously they are not TOTALLY unheard of in your country....or, somehow your handling of the svengali made them think of how it was done. And just saying, "let's see something else" only enforces the fact in their mind. I would suggest what everyone else pretty much advised...learn as many good effects without gaffed cards as possible.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:03 pm 
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Svengali and strippers are all over the internet as well as some shows exposing magic. It might be difficult for someone to get their hands on one in your country but easier for them to have heard of it. I think your question has been answered and the answer is quite obvious. If your uncomfortable using the svengali for fear of exposure, learn to do the trick without it.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 11:35 pm 
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I had already performed to these people using regular decks. I put my deck aside when my friend asked if i would perform one more trick, so i pulled out my svengali instead of the normal.


Do your routine with a regular bike deck (available here at Penguin). Let the specatators inspect it (or allow them to handle it as part of a trick). When they're comfortable with it being a regular deck, switch it for your Svengali.

That's what I do all the time, and it works.


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 Post subject: Refuse and Relent
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:48 pm 
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Whenever I have a special deck, I always have a normal deck that looks the same. Normally I put the special deck away right after the trick. Then if anyone wants to see it, or I want to do another trick later (not immediately), I pull out the normal deck.

So, if you had time to put it away, you had time to switch. If you'd had a normal deck handy, you could have done what I call "Refuse and Relent". Just put it away, then "give in" and pull out the normal deck for them to examine.

A bit of misdirection might be in order too: Pull out the normal deck and say, "Hold on a second." Give it a good shuffle, turn the bottom card face up, cut the deck, pull out the face up card, turn it over and return it to the middle. Spread the cards facing you to "check that everything is ok". Whatever. Then hand the deck over.

- VR


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:27 pm 
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Lesson to be learned: Dont use gaffed decks....


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