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 Post subject: Heckler killer phareses
PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:26 pm 
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Heckler:Hey I have seen that trick!!
YOU: Really? Thats weird because I only know one man who does this trick and he only shows this trick to losers or morons, (whatever you want to say is fine)

Heckler:Hey I saw that
YOU: Oops weird cuz when I got this trick it said watch out for cows when you perform because they can only see it.

Heckler:Let me see that!
YOU: I would love to but I dont think your hands are quite clean...did you do something nasty with them?

Heckler:Show me one more time!
YOU: What are you? 11year old boy who just saw a porn magazine? Calm down!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:32 pm 
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Have you actually tried any of those lines or did you just make them up? The only thing that I see coming from some of those is a beat down and possibly a gunshot wound. Do not, that means don't, challenge hecklers because, if you seriously offend them, you could get hurt and, if you don't offend them, they could figure out that they're under your skin and try harder. The best idea is to ignore them. I did it last night and everyone, all 20+ of them, started yelling at the heckler. Check the Outs and One Liners section.


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 Post subject: Yes and I agree but.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:50 am 
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Lol yes you shouldnt do it to someone who you totally dont know or some furious guys. You can change the endings of them or make it less offendable lol. I usually use that when I do it front of my friends lol


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:55 am 
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Han wrote:
Lol yes you shouldnt do it to someone who you totally dont know or some furious guys. You can change the endings of them or make it less offendable lol. I usually use that when I do it front of my friends lol


Well friends arent hecklers are they. And that wouldnt make you a magician either, just some guy doing tricks for your friends. Here's how a magician in the real world should respond,



"Hey, I've seen that trick already" than you say to yourself "[edited]!" and stop doing effects that everyone else is doing.


"Hey I saw that", you either say, "saw what?" or loadly whisper (homer simpson style) "You're aloud to see that" and wink at them

"Let me see that!" than you say, "ok" and let them see it, if you cant, than learn a better version of the trick and hang your head in shame until you do

"Show me one more time" than you say, "I think I've got something else you'll really like" most people who want to see things again, just want to see more magic, so show them something else and they'll forget all about it. or if you're doing a show, let them know when they can see you perform again.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:52 pm 
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ok han your lines are the worst i've ever seen. but if it works for you (doubt you've ever used them) then all is good


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:36 pm 
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"oh you've seen this trick? Talk to the barrel of my .357"
"oh you've seen this trick? Maybe I should shoot your mom"

Just kidding. I'm being way sarcastic here. Yes, all of those lines are awful. You can't possibly seriously use them on someone (and remain in one piece).


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:31 pm 
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I'll admit the:

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Heckler:Hey I have seen that trick!!
YOU: Really? Thats weird because I only know one man who does this trick and he only shows this trick to losers or morons.


gave me a bit of a chuckle. LOL

I'd probably use that one if someone was annoying me bad enough.

As for the rest I'll have to agree with everyone else.

If people aren't open to the gift of magic it is really better to just walk away, because they will just keep at it and make you and everyone else around you very uncomfortable and no one will be able to concentrate and enjoy the magic.

That or put some double sided tape on the back of a card and place it on the bottom of your shoe, follow them to their vehicle and tell them you'd like to show them one more effect before they leave. When they ask "What's that?" with a smile say "A card through a window."

Show them the sole of your shoe (still smiling) and then kick the sh*t out of the driver side window.

Then get the edited out of dodge!

Okay, I'm kidding! Don't do that!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:08 am 
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Most of the ones posted here would not work, obviously. If you are getting heckled all the time, stop showing stuff for kids at school.

When you are good, heckling slows way down. But what to say depends on your character. So it is hard to take and give advice. You have to respond, and it needs to be witty, but watch the put downs.

As far as magic being a gift, yea, right. Music is a gift; dancing is a gift; theater is a gift; lots of things are gifts in our mind, but we don't force them on people. When you start looking for ways to be bothered because people don't want to see your tricks, you will find yourself scorning you audience, and looking down your nose at them. Not good at all.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 2:04 am 
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chrisrkline wrote:

As far as magic being a gift, yea, right. Music is a gift; dancing is a gift; theater is a gift; lots of things are gifts in our mind, but we don't force them on people. When you start looking for ways to be bothered because people don't want to see your tricks,


Hold up... Dude, who said a thing about forcing our magic on other people?

And exactly where and who said anything about looking for ways to be bothered if someone doesn't want to see our magic?

I looked over this entire thread and not once did I see anyone say that or imply that in any way.

I can only speak for myself and the last thing I would want is to be "bothered" while I am trying to do that thing I do. Someone would have to be totally out of their gored to want to invite that element into their performance.

And forcing our magic?

Wouldn't that be completely defeating the entire purpose of doing magic in the first place if you had to "force" people to watch it?

And actually the better you get the heckling does not slow way down. It only gets worse.

Because the better you are the more people get jealous and the more they will try to debunk you and the more desire they will have to try and do so.

Just ask Blaine and Angel.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 7:32 am 
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OK, I may have gone too far with the "gift" part. I apologize.

But you are wrong on the heckling or you have not gone as far as you think. Do you really think that people heckle a Michael Ammar more than they heckle you because of jealousy? I assume he is better than you. As you become better and more professional, people heckle you less. I can't remember the last time I have been heckled, except by students, and that has been three years. And honestly, that is more just the vague rudeness some of my kids have--"I know how he does that," etc--rather than real meanness. If you are receiving more heckling, you need to look at your show. Maybe you are coming off arrogant or acting like you are in a battle with the teens you show magic too. I don't believe you are heckled by adults, unless you are doing it to drunks or are really doing something wrong. Maybe you are showing off more. Other than Blaine and Angel, give me one professional magician who has said that heckling gets worse. And please tell me what Angel and Blaine said to you to indicate that they were being heckled more as they got better. Are you saying they are heckled on TV? That is the only place they perform now. If they are, it is just for the cameras. Reality TV that isn’t really real.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:14 am 
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I just figured out what your problem is... You assume waaaay too much.

What makes you assume that I am being heckled? What makes you assume I show magic to teenagers?

I've been a student of magic since I was 12 years old and now I am 27. I recall being heckled several times in grade school and highschool, but kids will be kids.

In my adult years (starting at 20 until now) I have been heckled very little in the last 8 years. And the few times I have been has all been at places that serve alcohol and the said heckler has had one too many.

I get paid to do my magic in upscale restaurants and at scores of social functions. None of which you will find many teenagers.

I've performed at the House of Blues in New Orleans, and at the Clover Grill in the same city. Again, none of which you will find many teenagers.

I'll be at Brigtsen's Restaurant (723 Dante St
New Orleans, LA) next month on the 7th. (If Hurricane Katrina doesn't destroy the city first.) You are invited... Drop in and I guarantee, there there will not be one teenager in sight my good man!

Heckle: "To try to embarrass and annoy by questions, gibes, or objections; badger."

This is the true definition of the word "heckle".

Now, ...it annoys most people when they get heckled regardless of what it is they are doing, just by the people in their immediate vicinity.

Okay, now... imagine you are a internationally known magician as is Blaine and Angel.

There are hundreds if not thousands of web sites trying to debunk these two guys. Books and DVD's trying to prove these guys to be frauds.

That too is a form of heckling my friend, you just don't have to have some moron start screaming they know how a trick is done. People will say that regardless if they do or if they don't.

Whether they know how it is done or not is beside the point, they just want to make you and everyone else think they know how to do it as well.

Do "You" have websites and Books and DVD's and people publishing things in magazine articles about how big of a fake you are?

No? ...I didn't think you did.

So the proof that heckling get's worse as you get better is all around you, if you want to see it or not is entirely up to you.

CoS.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:27 pm 
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Sheesh, whatever.

If you want to include web sites that debunk Blaine and Angel as examples of heckling, then you are defining it differently than every other magician out there. Therefore you need to clarify yourself and not assume. When you say heckling increases, any magician will take that you mean normal spectator heckling. Can you give me any magician who defines heckling the way you do?

Can you name me three books and three DVDs that try to prove Blaine and Angel frauds? I know there is a constant battle between people under 30 over Blaine and this shows up on kiddy web sites and on forums like this, but I rarely meet many magicians older than that who worry a whole lot about it. So no, I don't see it all around me.

Sorry about your age. I mistakenly took your use of the word dude and making the silly joke about kicking in someone's window as an example of a card through window effect as an example of more than just emotional immaturity. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 28, 2005 1:13 pm 
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chrisrkline wrote:
Can you give me any magician who defines heckling the way you do?


Yep.

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Can you name me three books and three DVDs that try to prove Blaine and Angel frauds?


Mmmhmmm

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So no, I don't see it all around me.


Blind much?

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Sorry about your age. I mistakenly took your use of the word dude and making the silly joke about kicking in someone's window as an example of a card through window effect as an example of more than just emotional immaturity. :)


Sorry that you don't have a sense of humor or a sense about much at all. :)

CoS.

Postscript: I answered your first two questions with a "Yep" & a "Mmmmhmmm". I am certain you will ask me to name these magicians and name the books and DVD's.

Well...guess what? I'm not going to. I have nothing to prove to you.

And besides, since you are such a magic genius, there is no doubt that with your superior intellect you should be able to find out the information on your own and with ease, authority on magic boy.

You are a very assumptious and self-righteous individual, and it is really very sad.

Oh, if you want to put your magic where you mouth (fingers) are my invite still stands.

Show up, I'll be glad to have you around.

If you don't want to come, too bad...but I'll understand.

I wouldn't want to be made out to look like a school girl playing paddy cake either.

I've wasted enough time responding to you and so as far as I am concerned this conversation is now....Over.

C.


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