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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 5:08 pm 
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OH.

then we both havent copied each other lol
my fault :P

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I finally got the time to read this, and let me say that this is very good. You should try writing this exact thing in Language Arts at school if you have to write an essay about anything that you want.


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I finally got the time to read this, and let me say that this is very good. You should try writing this exact thing in Language Arts at school if you have to write an essay about anything that you want.


Thank you! Sorry this response is two months late, I guess I had just never come back to m own topic. lol Thanks and sorry for bumping up an old topic.


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Yea this kid at school would buy tricks I bought and perform them and everyone would figure them out because he never practised and the when I did it they"d say, I know how you did that!Can you say annoying?


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Exposure, the double edged sword. Before we go any further I'm not debating any of the thoughts or opinions this is simply my opinion an quite frankly it may ruffle some feathers. What I'm talking about is accountability here. First and foremost I agree with a quote from my friend Daniel, there should only be two Magic shops in the world, and you should have to go on a quest to get there, one would require a scuba tank because its at the bottom of the ocean, and the other would require alot of climbing gear because its on top of a mountain some where beyond the nether regions.

Now back to accountability. Its obvious that people enjoy magic, but maybe he way people are presenting it is in the challenge of anothers wits. Magic is an art form and it requires years of dedication. I was a genius in the six grade when I did my simple routine for the cups and balls for friends. I was also a jerk for exposing the effect, and I should have been kicked in the cups for that one. None the less though things like this happen, because as kids we don't realize the responsability and accountability we have to the magic community. Mostly everyone knows the cups and balls has seen it and yet it still endures as one of the greatest magic miracles ever to be handed to us as magicians. Why because of dedication to the ideas of imagination. Though I know how its done, and I watch like a hawk to make sure people are doing it beyond subpar. I appreciate more when a magician knows how to pace and work this effect correctlty its all about naturalness and subtlety. Two things I see so many people lacking in there performance "this includes myself".

So where amd I going with this, well once again this is about accountabilty
here which means that we as magicians owe to the art to make ourselves worthy of performing the art, this requires, love obsession,dedication and even a sense of who we are as an artist. So I'm even pointing the finger at myself. The magic isn't in the effects presented its in the performance. So how do we make the performance what it needs to be, by working at it testing it performing it and even trying to perfect it.We are the scientists of imagination.

The people exposing magic aren't magicians. They are thrill seekers looking to gain something form exposing anothers art form. Heres the double edged sword though. When I feel like magic is being challenged as a whole, even magic dealers and suppliers are responsable, or for that matter or even irresponsable in this matter. Kids buying trick equals revenue in there pockets, so you have to ask yourself, are they doing this for the love of an art or to make a quick few bucks to pay the bills. Any I repeat any secret you want in magic is out there it just depends on what your willing to sacrifce "money" integrity, exposure, but if you are an artist, this handling doesn't become a sacrifice it becomes a part of the required dedication for your art. Your here on this board because you are dedicated to your art, will all of you in the younger crowd last, odds are doubtfull, you will move on to other things in life bigger better, more normalacy, the what ever and where are yet to be determined. But your going to remember all those tricks, books. effects and watch them performed sometime some where and you will say to yourself, I know how he did that. But remember this so do I and a good magician never tells.

The other thought pertaining to this involve the evolution of magic, unfortunatley if it wasn't for exposure, there would be no reason for new devices, methods, handlings and props to even exist hence the double edged sword. So you can go on pretending that your upset about exposure but you hold as much if not more responability to others to further the art of magic. How do you do this, well its time to try and reason with the people exposing magic. Bring you freind to the side and make it a point and tell him hey if you want to learn magic maybe we should start a club, and get together and practice but if all he wants is the secret then is this person really your friend, seriously, I know thats harsh but where do the lines cross and was it your fault for performing something in front of an audience who only wanted the secret, or was the probelm with you performance, remember to some it will be a challenge of wits and who is smarter, to others you will touch there imagination. I can't stress this enough presentation is everything the secret is nothing
So do yourself and me a favor Practice anything you buy until you can do it in your sleep, you think I kidding, I have fallen asleep with a deck of cards in my hand. :lol: I know your excited to perform your new "trick" using this word belittles the idea of magic to begin with it is an effect, I'm not trying to fool you, I'm trying to effect your mind so you suspend belief in what i just did as an effect. I'm trying to touch you imagination not trick you mind, there is a subtle yet discernable difference here.

Alright well I'm off the soap box for now, but please consider all of these ideas when your talking about exposure, not just pointing your finger at youtube junkies, which I would agree a exposing some great magic, in a really lame way.

Until later I'm am the enigma, I am the magi, I am a figment of your imagination


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Hey guys, I updated the Essay and added Herbert Becker to the list. There's not much info, but it basically covers what he did to help the cause of exposure of magic.

Oh, and Zombiefreak... great post, I enjoyed reading it!


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I added another two paragraphs in which I play the "devil's advocate", and, for a paragraph, am all for exposure, and give you some reasons why. Then I completely pwn myself in the next paragraph. lol, enjoy!


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_%28magic%29

something interesting. has both sides which is pretty interesting to look at.


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Since writing this, my opinions on exposure have changed drastically. I don't like it at all, but I take a new approach to looking at it... when has it hurt me? I have never been called out during a performance with someone saying they knew how to do it because they saw it on YouTube. But that was a nice read on Wikipedia... thanks for sharing it.


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adjones wrote:
Since writing this, my opinions on exposure have changed drastically. I don't like it at all, but I take a new approach to looking at it... when has it hurt me? I have never been called out during a performance with someone saying they knew how to do it because they saw it on YouTube. But that was a nice read on Wikipedia... thanks for sharing it.


Glad you liked it.


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Funnily enough I got into magic by trying to find an explanation video for the trick Stuck by Greg Rostami.

Then I read a post by him on a forum which I can't remember.
He was telling somebody how they were hurting him and his family by giving away his tricks.

That's when I realised I wasn't just trying to take away from a huge community who could afford the loss of a few dollars, it was personally affecting a magician who had worked so hard to create a wonderful trick.

I bought the video a few days later :) .


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Well, like I said earlier, m opinions on exposure since writing this have drastically changed. I just don't care anymore. Trying to stop it's a lost cause, an it doesn't really hurt me. I know, it's an ignorant approach to things, but it's just how I feel about it.


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adjones wrote:
Well, like I said earlier, m opinions on exposure since writing this have drastically changed. I just don't care anymore. Trying to stop it's a lost cause, an it doesn't really hurt me. I know, it's an ignorant approach to things, but it's just how I feel about it.


Maybe the big magic sites could all team up and use the same sort of thing as iTunes, you know, where you can't share the file or anything.

I know this wouldn't stop kids Youtubing it, but it might stop them learning it in the first place.


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I remember when I first started magic I almost put a tutorial on youtube, thank god I'm a perfectionist and never was satisfied with the video. :roll: :D


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Sevenofclubs wrote:
I remember when I first started magic I almost put a tutorial on youtube, thank god I'm a perfectionist and never was satisfied with the video. :roll: :D


Thank the Heavens! I'm that way, too, it takes me 10+ times to get a video just the way I want it. Then I'll rewatch it, find something wrong, and have to do it all over again at least two more times.


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