I don't understand why some people are so anxious (is that the right word?) to get a perfect CLASSIC pass.
I've been using the riffle and dribble pass for about a year and a half now, and not even as a control- I use it as a face up "rise" in my ACR, and I always get good reactions with it, even from hecklers

yea amyh is right, but thanks anyway for the tips on misdirection. im trying to make it completely invisible to get an instant change, and it is extremely hard!

just another thing on the use of misdirection with the classic pass, in the practice of becoming a proficient gambling cheat or card cheat, i use the classic pass to nullify a cut. In this situation misdirection is isn't tollerated and ppl are watching my hands all the time. i really need to make it as invisible as possible without misdirection.

I don't get it... who the edited starts a cut and lets you finish it?

Exactly my friend, a question i have always pondered over.
who will let you finish a cut... well these days i dont think many ppl will be so trusting as to let you complete the cut in order to execute the pass.

In my opinion, i think it is the old way of things, a mere formality. At the card table in most games i think it was courtesy to offer the pack to be cut by the player on the left. Then the dealer would complete the cut.

But who in the modern world will let you complete the cut? This is where i think the pass is flawed.

any opinions people???

I've never had an issue with the Pass at the table. I've also never been in a game where I haven't completed the cut as the dealer. Maybe it's just my circles. If you're looking for a Pass to use at the table, use a Hermann Pass, but tap the ends of the deck on the table as you square up. It's a table tap Pass and the misdirection is in the move.

Thanks for the tip ex, ill take a look into that move!!

Just attended a poker night a couple weeks ago and the dealer always completed the cut.

lol.. Are we now teaching people how to use magic skills to cheat at cards? Not sure that is what penguin would want here.. *giggles*

Of course not. I would never condone that. Unless I get a cut.

lol, i dont think id go into a casino and use moves even if i was erdnase himself.... i will play a friendly with my mates tho and beat the bejesus out of them.. hehe

Most cheating moves won't work in casinos. You never deal the cards there and you don't get to shuffle. Mucking is far too easy to catch on camera. If anyone does get caught cheating a casino, send me a letter, because I don't think you have access to email in prison.

Very True, i have heard stories about the dealer being in on the scam, wether they were truthful or not i dont know. Either way i take the stories with a pinch of salt.

Anyone remember " Casino"? the guys they caught cheating.

"Alright you get the money, and the hammer, or...you get to walk out of here."

I think you get prison if lucky.

i dont know about that, i worked in a casino for a while and the "back room" scenario i think is a complete myth, maybe in the 20's or 30's.

I just bought a dvd, weapons of the card shark volume one, i thought i would get a good insight of how to make my classic pass look more spectacular.

i have to say that i know i didnt buy the best dvd source, but i needed something fast.
i think the guy is called jeff wesmiller, please correct me if im wrong i cant recall the name.

Im an amature but ive got to say that this dvd provided no insight to the sleight, no finer points and you can see him make the move from approximatly 3 miles away ..... sarcastic i know but it really is that bad.
ive seen utube kids perform it better.


anyone know the really good dvds on performing the pass invisibly ppl??

thanks
Steve.