Michael Ammar, Dai Vernon

fletch7777777 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:59 am

Which magician is better at Close-Up Magic?

Don't say that vernon was better because he created tonnes of stuff, whos "skills" are better

DaveV · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:00 am

I voted for Ammar. Although he was a student of Vernon, he learned from other sources as well, making him a more rounded performer in many areas.

Maloney123 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:02 am

Ammar is better then Vernon. I agree with DaveV.

Bicycle12 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:45 pm

This isn't really a "fair" pole. Vernon was in a period of time when double lifts were long forgotten about, buried beneath the sands of time. It was Vernon's job to revive and innovate so many sleights, where as Ammar just had to learn them. It isn't fair to compare an old generation, to a new one. There were far more skills available to Ammar than Vernon. It's an opinionated observation, but I believe Vernon should be honored with this accomplishment.

Maloney123 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:55 pm

Bicycle12 wrote:

This isn't really a "fair" pole. Vernon was in a period of time when double lifts were long forgotten about, buried beneath the sands of time. It was Vernon's job to revive and innovate so many sleights, where as Ammar just had to learn them. It isn't fair to compare an old generation, to a new one. There were far more skills available to Ammar than Vernon. It's an opinionated observation, but I believe Vernon should be honored with this accomplishment.

Let's just say they are equal.

fallingblood · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:24 am

Maloney123 wrote:

Let's just say they are equal.

Why? You said that Ammar was better as well, so why now should you say they are equal?

Bicycle makes a good point. I think we should give Dai Vernon the respect he deserves. And I believe many magicians do. But I also have to say that Ammar is probably better simply because he was able to learn from so many more sources. However, if Dai Vernon was now alive, it could be different, but I'm not completely sure on that.

Pauldela · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:12 am

Ammar, he's a much better performer.

fletch7777777 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:05 pm

dai vernon has much respect, its ok to say someone was better than him. he is one of the reasons magic is where it is, people will never forget about him. and true without vernon there probably wouldnt be michael ammar, but ammar is better IMO

seanbuyer896 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:50 pm

Mr. Ammar was the secret special guest lecture for the magic castle juniors b.b.q at brookledge and I must say he is a great lecturer(is this a word?) and is an already nice guy. He also understands how to creaet a trick and how to make it flow well with the audiences. he understands the tru essance of magic as did vernon.But,he was a student of Vernon. So who is better the master...or the student who became a master ?
I went with vernon but, honestly how can you compare the two ? They have both done so much.

Sean.McQuaid

Michael Ammar, Dai Vernon

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