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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:32 pm 
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That is fine, I have a lot of Loyals here actually. Most very intelligent too, unlike "most" of Angel's loyals. :wink:


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KyletheGreat wrote:
His pay and reputation both dropped because of a little glory speach he had to make.


I think he has got to be the only person whom has a show on A&E to get a big ego about having a show on A&E.

I hold people who have their own show on any channel, to high esteem. But having a weekly on a fringe channel doesn't exactly equate to being a superstar.

Unless you're Dogg.

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You know I'm just messin' with you, Brad. :wink:

I agree with Wayno. his big ego is really a little overkill. It would be different if it was a major network. Well...Maybe not different, but I could understand it a little better. Dog the Bounty Hunter should be thanking his lucky stars he got his show back. I quit watching his show after his tacky and racial comments. He lacks character....The person you are when no one (you think) is watching.


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 Post subject: Re: Someone needs to put Angel in his place
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I was just watching mindfreak, I don't quite know why though because you can hardly call it magic and all it does is agitate me, but anyway I'm getting sooooooo sick of Angel, this is why:

1. Any magician that is decently skilled knows Angel is not very talented as far as actual technique goes, especially concerning stuff like sleight of hand. He hardly ever does it. Even if you disagree with that, this is my point here. There are TONS of amazing manipulators out there that are literally hundreds of times more talented with actual technique than Angel, but he constantly claims to be the best at this and that. Its sickening and insulting to those that are more talented than him.

2. He constantly uses camera tricks. To those of you out there that keep on disagreeing with this, it can't even be debated now. He DOES use camera trickery. Deal with it. And to make it worse he claims he doesn't.

3. He exposes magic. Sure most of the stuff is simple, but he has exposed at least 2 or 3 principles that really nice effects I know need to work because its one part of the method to making the effect happen.

4. He exposes other performers now apparently. He exposed some of Blaine's mind reading effects and the Balduci levitation by performing them as bad as he possibly could so that he could deny exposing them if any magician says something about it. But by performing the effects terribly he gave away the methods just as if you messed up an effect and had a person discover the method without you meaning to give it away, although Angel INTENTIONALLY PERFORMED BADLY TO EXPOSE THE METHOD.

5. He insults other performers. He has called Cyril Takayama and cussed him out and accused him of copying him once he had some television deal in Japan from what I've read, although I don't remember the details. I just remember Angel was afraid he would come here on tv and that Cyril implied it was Angel but would not name the person. He also mocked Blaine and exposed the Balduci levitation to make Blaine look talentless. Back when Angel first started out on tv he was constantly challenging Blaine and such as well, and constantly talked about how Blaine hadn't done a single performance on "broadway" or something like that, meaning that Blaine wasn't a stage magician and obviously not talented since he didn't have a stage show.

6. He often claims true, real, supernatural power. The very first episode where he levitated he said "This is not a trick, this is real, what you see is what you get." He also said something similar to that before two other demonstrations as I remember being the steamroller and the one where he walked on screwdrivers, but I can't remember very well. He often claims true real power while performing mentalism as well. During his seance halloween episode I believe he seemed to be talking to the dead, and performed in a manner that gave no disclaimer until the very end of the episode, which I didn't even see like thousands of other viewers because of it being put at the very very end of the episode and only lasting literally half a second.

7. He heckles other performers. He ruined one performance on the show Phenomenon by acting like the guy performing was claiming to be able to communicate with the dead. I may be wrong here but I believe that was just the presentation he chose, but that he did not claim to be a medium or to have powers but only claimed to be a mentalist or illusionist or something like that. Angel also went after Uri Geller for no reason in the process, and while Geller probably deserves it, Angel still had no reason to do so since Geller had acted responsibly on the show by not claiming to have supernatural power. Again I could be mistaken there as well because I didn't watch Phenomenon much.

8. He steals effects from other magicians and sells them as his own. The Criss Angel levitation is truly the Icarus levitation simply turned backwards. Its stealing and he should have to give every penny he made to the creator of the Icarus levitation.

Some magician preferably a very talented one desperately needs to get on tv and show people what a good magician is. And it would be awesome if they would make Angel look bad in the process, for example do some effect he has done with camera trickery without it and say "Some magicians have done this with camera trickery before but I'm not going to do that." Its stupid and immature but after how he mocked and insulted Blaine on the episode I just saw he deserves it. Maybe the masked magician should do an Angel exposed show but only expose his camera tricks lol. Magicians would like him then, at least I would a little, ok I still wouldn't like him for exposing magic but I would like Angel's camera tricks being exposed lol.

I'm just soooooooooo sick of hearing about him from idiots that think he is talented everyday in the magic shop that I work in since I know all this stuff. Angel is an insult to magic.


ok first of all who cares if he uses camera tricks? It makes it more fun for laypeople and it's not hurting anyone except you guys who think it's a crime against nature to use camera tricks and also the whole thing about him exposing the Balducci Levitation everyone knows it was exposed way before Angel ever came on tv I just hope the King Rising won't have the same thing with the Balducci Levitation because I love that non-gimmicked way of levitating.


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I say all of us penguinites ban together, form a makeshift militia, and finish Criss off once and for all!




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Settle down Bicycle, that'll never work. . . I'll put somebody on it SHHHHH. :roll:



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Hey guys, I have a great idea for a TV event: the Ultimate Battle!
All those who hate Criss Angel, including the penguinites who want to take part, meet on a big field or something like this with all the Loyals who want to defend Criss; we need any large place that can be used as a battlefield, surrounded by a live audience in a safe distance, and the camera crews. For obvious reasons they wouldn't allow us to fight with swords... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
We agree on a method to carry out the battle, and the side that loses, promises to shut up forever! Or Criss could promise to end his career if the "haters" win.
Let me hear your ideas. :wink:

The lines above are for entertainment purposes only and should be used and viewed as such.




AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!

I could defeat all of Angel's Loyals in battle by myself! I used to play tournament paintball in the CFOA and once won the Lauren's Hope Charity Tournament for my team in our last match by myself against 4 players still left on the other team, (which was a swat team although tourny paintballers laugh at military and police because they're actually not very good with gun skills, I know thats surprising probably), so I don't think I would have a problem with all of Angel's Loyals. I mean seriously, what are they going to do? We also have our power of illusion on our side too lol. The loyals would think we're in one spot and then we would be behind them or something crazy like that. I really don't think it would be much of a fight.

But the whole idea of a fictional battle is dumb because it doesn't relate to the topic here. Instead of bringing up pointless theoretical battles that are really dumb (like I'm going to battle over Angel? :roll: ) why don't you actually explain the stuff I brought up about Angel? I perform magic for my job everyday and I am disgusted with Angel. I'm sick of hearing about him. He is an insult to me and every other magician out there.

And I had a feeling Callahan didn't claim real power, but it seems he goes just a hair too far with everything. Angel doesn't even have disclaimers sometimes though so there's no use refuting that. Saying "Do you believe in ghosts? I don't." is not a disclaimer. That is just confusing to people, IF they even catch it. But aside from that its not uncommon at all for Angel to say things like "This is real, this is not a trick" no different than when he is talking about doing some stunt or something.

The Blaine "parody" was not a parody, Angel was mocking, insulting, and exposing Blaine because apparently Angel still feels I don't know threatened maybe by Blaine? I really don't understand Angel's logic, no one even talks about Blaine now days because its been awhile since he has been on tv and Angel has been on for waaaaaaaaay too long now.[/quote]

Ok what about the thousands of Blaine parodies on Youtube that aren't of Criss? Blaine's been parodied by so many people that hate him and most of these people are probably the people who saw him expose the Balducci Levitation on national tv (I'm talking about this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlxL6ZeACaM ) and even before I ever started magic I figured that out in 2 seconds and that other one he does is the Skywalker and it's pretty much impossible to do it in a strolling environment because after a while the gimmick just kills your feet and completely destroys a pair of shoes.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBkKCdvviK0

That was actually far more entertaining and more skillful than anythng Criss ever did. Sadly that is who he wants to be, and is at heart. Just goes to show you how important he thinks Blaine is, when Blaine does not even acknowledge his existence.


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBkKCdvviK0

That was actually far more entertaining and more skillful than anything Criss ever did. Sadly that is who he wants to be, and is at heart. Just goes to show you how important he thinks Blaine is, when Blaine does not even acknowledge his existence. Notice Criss can't mock Blaine's sleight of hand prowess with cards, as he can't.

Where is the Snap Change? Simple Switch? Hot Shot Cut? One-Handed Riffle Shuffle? Curly Cue? That is right, Criss can't do any of them.


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sirbrad wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBkKCdvviK0

That was actually far more entertaining and more skillful than anything Criss ever did. Sadly that is who he wants to be, and is at heart. Just goes to show you how important he thinks Blaine is, when Blaine does not even acknowledge his existence. Notice Criss can't mock Blaine's sleight of hand prowess with cards, as he can't.

Where is the Snap Change? Simple Switch? Hot Shot Cut? One-Handed Riffle Shuffle? Curly Cue? That is right, Criss can't do any of them.


Actually in his latest season Criss actually did all these things when he was in the casino but you wouldn't know that because you think he's a hack and should be banned from ever being on tv ever again.


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You highlight two and say he did all of them? I don't think so. I saw Criss "try" and handle cards, and he is the one who looks like a homeless bum. Quite the embarrassment. He makes real magicians look bad, and is "hurting the art" by even trying to do an overhand shuffle in public. You can tell he profusely sweats while attempting too. He almost passed out one time trying to execute the glide. Just stick to camera edits Siss.


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I watching "Soup" on E earlier, and heard Joel McHale refer to Criss Angel as a magician who, in 6 months, will be doing children's birthday parties again." THAT was funny. On the other side of the coin, and I now this is off topic, but I'm posting it anyway...I'm really pleased to see that Blaine is taking the high road when it comes to Angel. Not once has Blaine done a parody, or mock, or said anything negative about Criss Angel. Can't same the same for Criss.


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Even funnier, and more true; Criss is not good enough to do children's shows. They would eat him alive.


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Just a quick note on point 6, the bit about Criss claiming to have powers. Seeing that he's a close friend of James Randi, and has openly stated that supernatural phenomena doesn't exist, I'm pretty sure this was all for show.


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Oh yeah of course it is, hence the name ideological bigot...


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sirbrad wrote:
Even funnier, and more true; Criss is not good enough to do children's shows. They would eat him alive.


I'd love to see Angel try to do a kid's show.

Yes. . . there will be blood. :lol:


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I completely agree. criss angel is a disgrace to the magic community. i read his book when i just began doing magic because i thought he was great. it turns out that he actually was an amazing magician when he was younger. Nowadays, technically speaking, he is an illusionist in the sense that it is meant to be in. he does tricks that require (Bad) actors and expensive props that he had planted specially so that his camera crew would catch it just right so that the obvious secret won't be revealed. And this is all paid for by those retarted "Loyals" who cant F***** see that these are camera tricks. I watched his show recently, and was laughing so hard at the terrible acting that i fell off my couch and i had to turn off the TV. He had also begun to start this whole trademarked "I don't care about what people think when they look at me" and "I don't care about my physical apperance" bullcrap, even though he spends about 400 bones a week on clothes alone (let alone jewelary), just so that he will seem more like a respectable magician. my point is that Criss Angel is no magician. if he stated that he was an illusionist, or just didn't do camera tricks all together, i would respect him, and he might be pretty good because he would have more time to practice in the real world than in photoshop or hiring crappy actors. However, Criss Angel likes to trick dumbass civilians into thinking he is god (although he looks like satan- AYO!!!!) and having these civilians look at us a "Below Average" because we cant walk on water. Give me plexiglass, 6 hours, and a pool-full of drunk, down-on-their-knees, begging-for-a-job actors, and i can show you Jesus. He is making us look bad, and making money he doesn't deserve.
Thanx for listening
Ian :mrgreen:

Ps. My take on Criss Angel in a kids show is that he would try to plant six year olds into the crowd and have them try to act. other than that, his tricks would suck, becaus he wouln't have a camera.

Pss. here is the link to see the worste acting ever, and criss angels rant on "Physical Appearance" BS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C5tS3N0STs


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