KingMilo wrote:
This is exactly what I meant when I started this post. Are Penn & Tellers explanations at times bogus? Yes. But they also reveal quite a bit when it comes to real techniques. Over their career they have revealed the existence of stooges, some sleight of hand techniques, the use of duplicate objects and even some illusion design. But certain people like to be selective in their hatred for revealing. When a kid on youtube reveals a technique they hate it. When Penn & Teller do it they call them genius. There is a clear double standard.
Magicians mention when they call up volunteers that they didn't know each other before, show there hands empty in the middle of tricks and show they don't have things up there sleeves because people assume that stuff is going on. If not at the moment when they ask them selves later how something was done they draw those conclusions on there own. Weather or not those conclusions are correct or they have any idea of when these are actually practiced is a different story, I don't see P&T connecting to many of these dots for people. Besides I think at this point they are known as those guys who upset people with there show on Showtime as much as Magicians.
I've seen them mention that they were kicked out of the Magic Castle for performing the cups and balls with clear cups, I'm not sure if that actually happened or if it was just patter, but it shows that they have faced real consequences in the magic community for there style.
I want to put this out there too. I have a few memories of televised magic from when I was young. I remember watching all four of the masked magicians shows, but I remember much more clearly seeing a show done by P&T where they "reveled" a bunch of the same tricks that the masked magician did but then performed them in ways that at least made the masked magicians stuff seem like bs. So at least in my mind they helped to recover from the larger exposure though what they do, in a way magicians with a more sterling reputation never could.