View Cart | View Account | Help
Order by phone: 800-880-2592
Check out our favorite NEW ARRIVALS
Need it fast? Order before 4pm Eastern and your order ships SAME DAY.

All times are UTC - 5 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:10 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 19 Nov 2006
Posts: 2571
Lee is not the first magician whos experimenting with different colored coins\chips in a fingertips coins across routine.
I know Reed McClintock has a version with different types of coins


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:20 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 2753
Then I'm sure you know what gimmick I am referring to. By chance do you have any performance footage for McClintocks version? Does it suffer from the same problem?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:37 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 07 Aug 2009
Posts: 2948
Location: Sunny Orlando
eostresh wrote:
Here is Lee Asher's Three Stylin. There is a moment on one of his travel logs from japan where you see him perform it....Much better than my performance...but i can't remember where. Any ways you coin guys can give me some pointers and in the mean time get an idea of how it looks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tOhR_v_Uw


I liked it! how do you compare using chips to coins? I myself do my 3fly with chips as well


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 12:10 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 19 Nov 2006
Posts: 2571
eostresh wrote:
Then I'm sure you know what gimmick I am referring to. By chance do you have any performance footage for McClintocks version? Does it suffer from the same problem?


I haven't seen McClintock's version, I just know it exists


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:26 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Moderator

Joined: 21 Feb 2003
Posts: 14016
Location: Las Vegas, NV/Albuquerque, NM/Pensacola, FL
eostresh wrote:
Definitely a problem with this trick. A very simple gimmick would solve this problem and I'll likely get to work making one.



You're probably thinking of the same gimmick I was thinking about using with it.I left that idea alone when I started working on my handling, but I think it would kick Lee's up a bit. Reed McClintock has a really interesting handling that he just released a while back. It was also in one of his Knucklebusters booklets. I left those out because they didn't fit the criteria I was looking for in this post, which was the sets that essentially duplicate the original handling, but they are worth looking into.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:01 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 2753
Zenn_Darkfire wrote:
eostresh wrote:
Here is Lee Asher's Three Stylin. There is a moment on one of his travel logs from japan where you see him perform it....Much better than my performance...but i can't remember where. Any ways you coin guys can give me some pointers and in the mean time get an idea of how it looks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tOhR_v_Uw


I liked it! how do you compare using chips to coins? I myself do my 3fly with chips as well


Nothing to compare it to. My patter line is no joke. I'm a card guy. I can count on one hand the number of coin tricks I do and this is my only three fly. :oops: As a generality I like using chips instead of coins as it fits my personality a little more. I'll probably take some inspiration from this and start applying some of the ITBTWC moves to chips.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:31 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 2753
exodus wrote:
eostresh wrote:
Definitely a problem with this trick. A very simple gimmick would solve this problem and I'll likely get to work making one.



You're probably thinking of the same gimmick I was thinking about using with it.I left that idea alone when I started working on my handling, but I think it would kick Lee's up a bit. [quote]

I'm sure we are thinking the same thing. It's such an obvious fix to the problem I'm sure the only reason it wasn't included in the original was to save on production costs.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 5:32 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 2753
Okay here is the first look at my modified handling of Three Stylin. It's still a work in progress, I need to slow down the second coin jump and work my patter a bit more to help "pace" the routine better. You should get the idea.

http://vimeo.com/8453545

You should get the idea. I talked to Lee Asher about it and he gave me a few pieces of advice and passed on a hot tip that Allen Ackerman thought up. His opinion is that the Gimmick just isn't necessary for the laity. After working with it I tend to agree. It complicates the handling enough that you really need to weight the benefits vs the extra work required to get it to work smoothly. When I am out in public I still fall back on the basic routine.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:04 pm 
User avatar
Offline
Penguin

Joined: 15 Jan 2007
Posts: 246
eostresh wrote:
Okay here is the first look at my modified handling of Three Stylin. It's still a work in progress, I need to slow down the second coin jump and work my patter a bit more to help "pace" the routine better. You should get the idea.

http://vimeo.com/8453545

You should get the idea. I talked to Lee Asher about it and he gave me a few pieces of advice and passed on a hot tip that Allen Ackerman thought up. His opinion is that the Gimmick just isn't necessary for the laity. After working with it I tend to agree. It complicates the handling enough that you really need to weight the benefits vs the extra work required to get it to work smoothly. When I am out in public I still fall back on the basic routine.

I enjoyed that alot!

I was sucked into the patter and the motivation behind the effect. You seem to already know what to work on, so that's not as important to restate. I also do my coin and 3fly effects with poker chips more often now. Keep working on it, it has a ton of potential.

Also, if you don't mind, I would love use your line as to why your are using chips, as it seemed perfect.

All the best,
-Chase


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:33 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 2753
ehdeets wrote:
eostresh wrote:
Okay here is the first look at my modified handling of Three Stylin. It's still a work in progress, I need to slow down the second coin jump and work my patter a bit more to help "pace" the routine better. You should get the idea.

http://vimeo.com/8453545

You should get the idea. I talked to Lee Asher about it and he gave me a few pieces of advice and passed on a hot tip that Allen Ackerman thought up. His opinion is that the Gimmick just isn't necessary for the laity. After working with it I tend to agree. It complicates the handling enough that you really need to weight the benefits vs the extra work required to get it to work smoothly. When I am out in public I still fall back on the basic routine.

I enjoyed that alot!

I was sucked into the patter and the motivation behind the effect. You seem to already know what to work on, so that's not as important to restate. I also do my coin and 3fly effects with poker chips more often now. Keep working on it, it has a ton of potential.

Also, if you don't mind, I would love use your line as to why your are using chips, as it seemed perfect.

All the best,
-Chase


Thanks for your comments. You are certainly welcome to use my patter lines or an adaptation of them. I find that it is as much the patter lines that I have chosen that seem to speed up that second "jump" so if you have any suggestions I'm all ears. I'm learning how important patter can be for the pacing of certain effects.

Anyways, Thanks again
Erik


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:16 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 19 Nov 2006
Posts: 2571
That was really good!
You should slow down a little though


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 7:40 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 28 May 2007
Posts: 2753
daniel116 wrote:
That was really good!
You should slow down a little though

Thanks for the compliment and the advice.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:15 pm 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 29 Jun 2006
Posts: 1182
Location: Missouri, USA
Bob Kohler's U3F is my favorite method for this coin plot. I only use bits and pieces of Bob's routine but it is killer!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:03 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 01 Sep 2008
Posts: 635
Location: Canada
I'm planning on buying that 3 Fly III effect by Daryl in June and I was wondering what the dificulty rating on it would be? I can almost do CoinOne nicely but I still need a little more practice to get it looking as good as Homer does it so do you think 3 Fly III would be too tough for me or if I would learn it fairly quickly? Hope to hear from somebody soon.

btw the reason Chris' performance of CFWM is so bad I actually heard that they only give him 1 hour to practice each effect before they start filming him so it doesn't give him a whole lot of time to perfect the effects he has to film.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:16 am 
User avatar
Offline
born to perform.

Joined: 19 Nov 2006
Posts: 2571
What is CFWM?
Anyway, I use the 3fly from Kenner's book and it's not hard at all, it uses sleights that you wouldn't normally use so it feels different from most coin routines but eventually you get used to those sleights and the routine becomes very easy.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 58 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2009 Penguin Magic, Inc.