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 Post subject: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:15 pm 
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Check this out,

A few years ago I was working in a restaurant. It was later in the evening, around 9:45 p.m. I'd say. There had been a long wait earlier in the night (about 45 minutes) for a table. Suffice to say they had been very BUSY.

I was doing a Jerry Mentzer version of cups and balls using 3 Jumbo cards with the final loads being 3 jumbo coins (from close up cavalcade). I had been doing it for weeks and was very happy with the reactions. I approach a table with my mat and ask them if they'd like to see some magic. They say sure. I pick up a beer (which had just been brought out from the kitchen in a hot glass straight from the dishwasher) to move it. THE WHOLE FRIGGEN BOTTOM ON THE BEER MUG FALLS OFF!! I mean, the 1/2 thick solid mug bottom, just broke and came off. I poured beer ALL over this guy in a nice Italian wool suit. He was P.O.ed!!! I decided after that I wouldn't touch anything on the tables again. I've never looked back.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 9:40 pm 
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I had the bottom of a pub glass break on me recently while I was pouring water into it. Those things can happen, it's why I always would rather kindly ask them to make room/move something rather than touch it.

Tough break, too bad you couldn't blame your mental powers for the incodent, oh well.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2009 1:52 pm 
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bravesaint wrote:
I had the bottom of a pub glass break on me recently while I was pouring water into it. Those things can happen, it's why I always would rather kindly ask them to make room/move something rather than touch it.

Tough break, too bad you couldn't blame your mental powers for the incodent, oh well.


He should of said he had super powers. :wink:


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Man, Ted, your life is better than fiction!


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You could probably do that same thing a thousand times and it never happen again but it's a bite when it happens.


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Meh, I've had worse.

You end up paying for the suit?

Also the restaurant im working at on saturday nights at the moment the wait is usually about 1 hour and a half, and the "Pizza" can fit all up about . . . 300 people i'd say


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:37 pm 
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No I didn't have to pay for anything. The manager comped a few meals for him and calmed him down. He was pretty hot for about 15 minutes.

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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 12:58 pm 
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tedricpancoast wrote:
Check this out,
I was doing a Jerry Mentzer version of cups and balls using 3 Jumbo cards with the final loads being 3 jumbo coins (from close up cavalcade). I had been doing it for weeks and was very happy with the reactions. I approach a table with my mat and ask them if they'd like to see some magic. They say sure. I pick up a beer (which had just been brought out from the kitchen in a hot glass straight from the dishwasher) to move it. THE WHOLE FRIGGEN BOTTOM ON THE BEER MUG FALLS OFF!! I mean, the 1/2 thick solid mug bottom, just broke and came off. I poured beer ALL over this guy in a nice Italian wool suit. He was P.O.ed!!! I decided after that I wouldn't touch anything on the tables again. I've never looked back.

Ted


Few remarks/questions.
You actually do Cups and Balls in a restaurant + Close up mat? that's just asking for trouble.
I personally do not touch or move anything on their table, it just causes irritation and just troubles the service.
Anyway, you have bad luck Ted:P


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 1:07 pm 
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cardfreak1234 wrote:
tedricpancoast wrote:
Check this out,
I was doing a Jerry Mentzer version of cups and balls using 3 Jumbo cards with the final loads being 3 jumbo coins (from close up cavalcade). I had been doing it for weeks and was very happy with the reactions. I approach a table with my mat and ask them if they'd like to see some magic. They say sure. I pick up a beer (which had just been brought out from the kitchen in a hot glass straight from the dishwasher) to move it. THE WHOLE FRIGGEN BOTTOM ON THE BEER MUG FALLS OFF!! I mean, the 1/2 thick solid mug bottom, just broke and came off. I poured beer ALL over this guy in a nice Italian wool suit. He was P.O.ed!!! I decided after that I wouldn't touch anything on the tables again. I've never looked back.

Ted


Few remarks/questions.
You actually do Cups and Balls in a restaurant + Close up mat? that's just asking for trouble.
I personally do not touch or move anything on their table, it just causes irritation and just troubles the service.
Anyway, you have bad luck Ted:P


Wait wait wait, you're giving "advice" and actually claiming you have performed in a restaurant setting... YET in a whole different topic you ask this Amatuer question:

cardfreak1234 wrote:
hi, I was wondering, when would be the best time to approach a table for the first time? right after they order their drinks or after they order their meals?


Something aint adding up.


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:31 pm 
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LoL these are some of the reasons I have performers insurance. Affordable, and your covered for anything that might go wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:13 pm 
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DavidTheCryptic wrote:
cardfreak1234 wrote:
tedricpancoast wrote:
Check this out,
I was doing a Jerry Mentzer version of cups and balls using 3 Jumbo cards with the final loads being 3 jumbo coins (from close up cavalcade). I had been doing it for weeks and was very happy with the reactions. I approach a table with my mat and ask them if they'd like to see some magic. They say sure. I pick up a beer (which had just been brought out from the kitchen in a hot glass straight from the dishwasher) to move it. THE WHOLE FRIGGEN BOTTOM ON THE BEER MUG FALLS OFF!! I mean, the 1/2 thick solid mug bottom, just broke and came off. I poured beer ALL over this guy in a nice Italian wool suit. He was P.O.ed!!! I decided after that I wouldn't touch anything on the tables again. I've never looked back.

Ted


Few remarks/questions.
You actually do Cups and Balls in a restaurant + Close up mat? that's just asking for trouble.
I personally do not touch or move anything on their table, it just causes irritation and just troubles the service.
Anyway, you have bad luck Ted:P


Wait wait wait, you're giving "advice" and actually claiming you have performed in a restaurant setting... YET in a whole different topic you ask this Amatuer question:

cardfreak1234 wrote:
hi, I was wondering, when would be the best time to approach a table for the first time? right after they order their drinks or after they order their meals?


Something aint adding up.


I think this is a first but I agree with DTC, something ain't adding up.


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 5:57 am 
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Ok, I've been doing restaurant magic for almost two months, in the restaurant Im performing, it isn't possible to bring a close up mat(without moving plates,glasses and such).

I approached tables at various times, and I was WONDERING when would be the best time? I know it also says first time, but that is of course the first time that evening.

If I haven't been doing it as long as you why should that affect my advice?
I mean, you did learn not to touch/move anything on a table right?


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 4:48 pm 
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Experience does affect your advice, thinking it doesnt is ignorant and arrogant.
Did I learn anything from you? No, no I didnt. You're also wrong, I have moved and touched items on the table with no problem. You just have to know what you are doing.

If you dont/didnt know the answer to your question you shouldnt have been performing. Thats one of the first things you should know before performing.

So you still have a lot to learn and should probably stop performing till you learn more.


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
PostPosted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:30 pm 
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DavidTheCryptic wrote:

If you dont/didnt know the answer to your question you shouldnt have been performing. Thats one of the first things you should know before performing.

So you still have a lot to learn and should probably stop performing till you learn more.


If you are expecting everyone to be "master" magician before they perform I think you are living in a fantasy world. I personally don't think you can attain mastery without performance. On one of Oz Pearlman's latest video blogs he states that he will practice a trick until proficient and then learns to refine and master it during his restaurant shows. I have heard several similar statements from Aaron Fisher and other big name magicians.

If you examine his original question he was asking what is the "Best" time to approach a table. He did not ask what is a "good" time to approach a table. To use a baseball analogy he is not asking "How do I hit the ball?" he is asking, "How do I turn a hit into a home run?" Most home run hitters hit their prime in their late twenties and early thirties...after an average of 6-10 years in the big leagues. Should Babe Ruth have been kept in the minor leagues until he was 26?

Telling a guy who has two months experience in restaurant work that he has no business offering Ted advice is a valid point. Telling a guy that he shouldn't be performing at a restaurant at all because he hasn't "Mastered" restaurant magic is an unrealistic expectation.


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 Post subject: Re: A good reason to stay OFF the table
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eostresh wrote:
DavidTheCryptic wrote:

If you dont/didnt know the answer to your question you shouldnt have been performing. Thats one of the first things you should know before performing.

So you still have a lot to learn and should probably stop performing till you learn more.


If you are expecting everyone to be "master" magician before they perform I think you are living in a fantasy world. I personally do think you can attain mastery without performance. On one of Oz Pearlman's latest video blogs he states that he will practice a trick until proficient and then learns to refine and master it during his restaurant shows. I have heard several similar statements from Aaron Fisher and other big name magicians.

If you examine his original question he was asking what is the "Best" time to approach a table. He did not ask what is a "good" time to approach a table. To use a baseball analogy he is not asking "How do I hit the ball?" he is asking, "How do I turn a hit into a home run?" Most home run hitters hit their prime in their late twenties and early thirties...after an average of 6-10 years in the big leagues. Should Babe Ruth have been kept in the minor leagues until he was 26?

Telling a guy who has two months experience in restaurant work that he has no business offering Ted advice is a valid point. Telling a guy that he shouldn't be performing at a restaurant at all because he hasn't "Mastered" restaurant magic is an unrealistic expectation.


Thank you, couldn't have said it better, my advice may appear to be a ego boost of some sort but it most certainly isn't, it has logic to it: If you don't move glasses, you can't break them.
I'm not saying you can't move anything on a table but I, personally , think it would be wiser to ask them to move it. Now this advice can not be weakened by my experience because it's logic, plain and simple.


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