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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:55 am 
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eostresh wrote:
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3 Fly is a cool routine but there is absolutely no reason to spend $250 on it….IMO


Yeah I don't see the point because I could just get the gimmicks from another website for a lot less than that and just use some old Copper English Pennies instead of the Half Dollars and watch the video that Magic Geek posted and be able to do it at a far less price.

:lol: So true. It is really sad that the Magic Geek (supposedly a professional) is responsible for more youtube exposier than any one else. I wish he'd take some of those demos down...Oh well :(


True that.............


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:05 pm 
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I haven't read through all this, but here's my two cents...

...OK, actually it's David Roth's two cents. I've spoken to him on two separate occasions at Fantasma, and I agree with what he says.

Roth doesn't like 3FLY for a couple of reasons (that I can remember):

1. There's no suspense - Since everything is done at the fingertips, the spectator knows what happened the second it happened.

2. Very closed / Not open - The hands are not displayed as openly as a normal coins across. (He was referring to the slight of hand versions, not gimmicked I guess. Although, most versions leave you dirty with the last coin.)

Although, he says he can see why some like it:

1. It's chest level - Good so people can see you face as you are doing it.

2. Easy - No palming. Just finger palm.

I dunno. I see the cons more than the pros. Personally, I like the original 3Fly (Menage et trois) as published in TOOC out of all of em.

/two cents


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 9:53 pm 
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Roth does have some good points, but I totally disagree. There's no suspense, but all magic doesn't need suspense. In Spellbound, there is no suspense, either. Moving to bigger things, Costume Changes doesn't really have any suspense either. It's quick, visual magic. If I could really do magic, I wouldn't hide what was happening. I'd show everything as openly as possible. As for the hands being closed off, if they audience sees everything happen, they don't think about the hands being closed off. My handling is pretty open and I can show my hands to have the right amount through most of the routine. In a closed hand routine, you need to be able to show the hands fully, since the coins are mostly being obscured through the entire routine.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:35 pm 
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Does anyone here know the difference between Garrett Thomas's GT-3fly and Bob Kohler's version?


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:38 am 
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Everything. Garrett's handling is very heavily based on sleight of hand, while Kohler's is essentially self working.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:47 am 
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Garett uses a flipper, shell and regular coin. It does look nice.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:12 am 
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SteveBelliveau wrote:
Garett uses a flipper, shell and regular coin. It does look nice.


Wouldn't this be considered exposure? (Just asking, not judging!)


-Widding


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:28 pm 
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Oh, it's still gaffed, but it still uses the advanced sleight of hand. The beauty of his routine is that the hands never come near each other, but the moves themselves are still difficult. Kohler's handling could be picked up almost immediately if you have any knowledge of coin magic.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:51 pm 
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I think only magicians know the terms I refered to.....of course, I could be wrong.

Many posts here talk about $300 - $325 set of coins (that are hard to get). That's a lot of money.

Personally, I do not use any gaf coins, but I do like routines where no table is needed and can be performed in many venues.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 2:12 pm 
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I don't mind gaffs by any stretch of the imagination. I've always felt that the impact on the audience is most important. The other side to that, though, is that if something that is overly gaffed could be simplified by using sleight of hand, do it. There's no reason not too, other than laziness. This is a good example. If there was no way to make a Three Fly look completely clean, other than the expensive gaffs, that's the way to go. The only problem there is that I think my handling looks just as good as any of the others, but requires minimal sleight of hand and a much lower investment financially. Why not?


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:33 am 
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Greedy fly is performed by you?

I can't perform 3 fly in my country here, unless i use poker chips. I love coin magic, but starting to hate it because the fact that the coin in my country is quite unsuitable. The biggest coin is thick,heavy and smaller then a half dollar and my hand is a little bony. Thats the reason why i hate coin magic.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:04 am 
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Yep, that's me.


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 Post subject: Re: Three Fly discussion
PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 7:57 pm 
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Have any of you tried Danny Archer's Atomic Coins routine?

How about Jim Pace's 3 fly routine? ((I know about Jim's past) However, his magic was straight forward.)


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