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 Post subject: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 6:50 am 
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Just wondering if anyone watched Derren's latest special? It's an expose' on faith healers and their tricks. In it he trains up a nobody and sends him out to perform miracles. Seriously the entire faith healig movement sickens me, maybe more than the mediums do.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 9:32 am 
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Didn't the Amazing Randi already write an expose on them?


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 11:50 am 
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He did indeed and his work is credited in the show.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:00 am 
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I just saw it....great show. I'm afraid it will likely fall into the category of "preaching to the choir," because most people who really believe in that stuff won't bother to watch it. Oh well...Most of the real charlatans have wrapped themselves in the blanket of "religious freedom" so the efforts of Dawkins, Brown, Randi, Penn, Teller, and other skeptics likely be negligible.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 6:10 am 
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Thanks !!! I had no idea this show existed.

Derren is one of my favourite performers. Th is a great show (just watched it) but i must say it is a pretty easy challenge. Not hard to expose how fraudulant these twits are, but he did it with class as usual.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:23 pm 
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It's just such a shame that such an obvious sham has such a massive following. One thing I liked about the show was it showed there were rebel cells amongst the faithful and does show that there are plenty of religious people with common sense and enough objectivity to see it for what it is.

Lets face it, there's no way you can truely believe in God, the Devil and an afterlife and go on to so shamelessly scam people like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:39 pm 
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Well according to the bible u can believe in the devil and scam all day, though u wont like where your going :lol:

Also those of u who haven't, u should watch some of the old james randi expose videos their great

My favorite is the peterpopoff one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:21 pm 
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jonathan_thegreat wrote:
Well according to the bible u can believe in the devil and scam all day, though u wont like where your going :lol:

Also those of u who haven't, u should watch some of the old james randi expose videos their great

My favorite is the peterpopoff one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y

It's a shame to say it, but Popoff wasn't terrible, when it comes to mentalism. He's what happens when mentalists go bad; a con artist.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:58 am 
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Lets face it, there's no way you can truely believe in God, the Devil and an afterlife and go on to so shamelessly scam people like that.


Actually, even Satan and demons acknowledge and have spoken to God.

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
Job 1:6,7

The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.
Mathew 8:31


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:21 am 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKX5yB-H2tI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuPadpaT ... re=related

their should a be a stick of james randi/ derren brown expose videos.

Heres another one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlfMsZwr ... re=related

now the guy was crazy, but his technique was great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7yDLRib ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sblPQWK ... re=related


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:50 pm 
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EZrhythm wrote:
arkham666 wrote:
Lets face it, there's no way you can truely believe in God, the Devil and an afterlife and go on to so shamelessly scam people like that.


Actually, even Satan and demons acknowledge and have spoken to God.

One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. The LORD said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”
Satan answered the LORD, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”
Job 1:6,7

The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.
Mathew 8:31


What I actually meant was this... if you believe in God and the bible then you believe in heaven and edited. You also believe that God is all seeing and all knowing and will know and judge you for your sins.
So how can someone who truly believes in God be a faith healer and use both the lords name as well as tricks to convince people they're performing miracles and then convince them to pay hundreds and maybe even thousands of dollars to have their prayers answered knowing full well that it's not true? If you had any faith at all you would know that you would be damed for such a horrific sin and would never even dream about doing it.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 3:34 pm 
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Who says these "faith healers" believe in God?

I believe they are simply preying on the weaknesses of those who do believe for monetary gains. Apparently they don't believe in he11 either or they'd know they would be first in line to be let in.


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 Post subject: Re: Miracles for Sale
PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:48 am 
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DaveV wrote:
Who says these "faith healers" believe in God?

I believe they are simply preying on the weaknesses of those who do believe for monetary gains. Apparently they don't believe in he11 either or they'd know they would be first in line to be let in.

They may also be sociopaths. Sociopaths can find a way to rationalize anything that they find profitable, even if they believe in a god. Usually, they'll pick and choose verses that seem to support what they're doing, and they may even forfeit some of their money to eliminate the guilt. (It's ok if I'm making millions, I'm tithing to a charity.)


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