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 Post subject: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:26 pm 
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I need to know some difficulties of some tricks so I know whether to get them or not. If you could help me out it would be greatly appreciated.
1. The Muscle Pass Starring Jay Noblezada (DVD Download)
2. The Sheridan Course in Card Manipulation (3 DVD Set)
3. Emotional Intelligence [E.I.] by Luke Jermay (DVD)
4. Blindsided by Oz Pearlman (Instant Download)
5. Twizted by Eric Jones (GIMMICK + DVD)
6. EMPTY by Marcus Eddie (DVD + Device)
7. Vertigo by Rick Lax (DVD + Gimmick)
8. Redemption by Chris Ballinger (DVD + Gimmick)
9. Daryl's Ambitious Card - DVD
10. SPONGE Starring Jay Noblezada (DVD + 4 Red Sponge Balls)


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:30 pm 
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#1 and #2 are hard, period.

The rest anyone can learn with a bit of practice.

Hope that helps!

Acar


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:43 pm 
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In my opinion, difficulty shouldn't be the reason why (or why not) you buy a trick. You are thinking of the method (what you will have to do) when you should be thinking of the effect (what the audience will experience). I think that you should buy any of the effects that you think would fit your persona and the audience. Any level of difficulty can be overcome through practice and perseverance. But if you were to get really good at any of the tricks (especially the hard ones), I would recommend only buying one or two at a time so that you aren't distracted by the other effects. You want to focus on perfecting one effect at a time.
Just some advice, Drew


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:48 pm 
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I agree with BOTH Acar and Drewer. It took me 4 years to get the muscle pass to my liking. The manipulations I've just started but to me the manipulations are the ones that magicians and laymen both like. I've never liked the way manips have been presented but I've found what suits me. Bottom line is if you like it DO IT. So what if it takes practice. If you want to do a stage routine then manipulation is a good thing to learn. Don't let difficulty get in the way because any of the items you listed is achievable.


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:32 pm 
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All the advise given so far has been top notch. I would like to particularly highlight Drewer's piece of advise about not buying too much stuff at once. I wish so badly that someone would have given me this same advice once i had my own income. Before, everything I got was on birthdays or Christmas...and I always wanted more. The I got a job, and every paycheck I was surfing this sight. I bought so much stuff...and I wouldn't give anything the time it deserved because I had too much stuff to earn. Bottom line, buy one thing at a time, perfect it, then move on. Also I would recommend not buying Jay's muscle pass DVD. It is worth learning, but a twenty dollar DVD for this one knack isn't worth it IMHO. All it is is a knack. it takes so much pain and practice...but you can learn it from other resources for cheaper...just a thought.


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:01 pm 
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Thanks everyone! And acar, I was chatting with a Penguin sales assosiate and I said I was a intermediate magician and interested in card manipulation which I have never tried before and he suggested the Sheridan Course in Card Manipulation.


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:00 am 
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um the muscle pass is not hard to learn at all lol O.o


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:02 am 
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also jays dvd was good but this ones way better http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S10856


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:18 am 
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jonathan_thegreat wrote:
um the muscle pass is not hard to learn at all lol O.o

You sir, are the only person I have ever heard say that. If that was true for you, which I have a very very hard time believing, kudos to you. But you are an exception. (unless you were being sarcastic...I can't really tell.)


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:07 pm 
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Sheridan Course IS for beginners, because it's comprehensive. It starts from zero.

It will still take a long time (a lifetime perhaps) to master the material.

Card manipulation isn't something you "learn", it's a lifelong pursuit of beauty with cards. So as long as you keep that in mind, it's always a good time to start learning.

That one course, The Sheridan Course can be your only resource and still keep you busy for years. He's the father of modern (classic) card manipulation.

Also checking out, Brian Tudor is the father of modern (extreme) card manipulation.


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:26 pm 
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1. The Muscle Pass Starring Jay Noblezada (DVD Download)
Hard

2. The Sheridan Course in Card Manipulation (3 DVD Set)
Very Hard

3. Emotional Intelligence [E.I.] by Luke Jermay (DVD)
Technically Easy, but Harder in terms of presentational skills

4. Blindsided by Oz Pearlman (Instant Download)
Easy (some practice required)

5. Twizted by Eric Jones (GIMMICK + DVD)
Easy (some practice required)

6. EMPTY by Marcus Eddie (DVD + Device)
Easy (but has some angle considerations)

7. Vertigo by Rick Lax (DVD + Gimmick)
Easy, no brainer

8. Redemption by Chris Ballinger (DVD + Gimmick)
Easy (some practice required)

9. Daryl's Ambitious Card - DVD
Mostly Easy. Some require you just to be brave. His ultimate ambition is gimmicked and easy.

10. SPONGE Starring Jay Noblezada (DVD + 4 Red Sponge Balls)
Easy. Spongeball magic is generally easier than coin magic or ball manipulation.


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:32 pm 
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acar wrote:
Sheridan Course IS for beginners, because it's comprehensive. It starts from zero.

It will still take a long time (a lifetime perhaps) to master the material.

Card manipulation isn't something you "learn", it's a lifelong pursuit of beauty with cards. So as long as you keep that in mind, it's always a good time to start learning.

That one course, The Sheridan Course can be your only resource and still keep you busy for years. He's the father of modern (classic) card manipulation.

Also checking out, Brian Tudor is the father of modern (extreme) card manipulation.

But well worth the pursuit if you want to perform card manipulations.


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:57 pm 
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Bluebackedcards wrote:
jonathan_thegreat wrote:
um the muscle pass is not hard to learn at all lol O.o

You sir, are the only person I have ever heard say that. If that was true for you, which I have a very very hard time believing, kudos to you. But you are an exception. (unless you were being sarcastic...I can't really tell.)



Im not being sarcastic at all; it may just have to do with peoples hands.

To be honest ive read about people having trouble with it; and some people learning it no problem.

Jay noblezada even mentioned meeting someone who learned it in 4 days, now they may not have been a master of it but you can get the coin to jump a good distance with just a week of practice.

I could do it within the 7 day range but i kept practicing and in a month i could do it in both hands proficiently no problem :D

I now can muscle pass practically any size join besides jumbo coins lol

Also that was just with an hour or 2 a day of causal practice.

And if any of this came across as bragging; im not.

Though to some i guess an hour or 2 a day for a month is hard; but to me thats pretty easy considering you only do one move to do the muscle pass.

The muscle pass is nothing compared to some card manipulations or some of the harder card or coin sleights


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 3:48 pm 
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Thanks guys so the Sheridan Course in Card Manipulation has some stuff that is good for beginners and it doesn't really require you to have experience with card manipulation? And keepitbottled, can you explain what you mean about emotional intelligence?


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 Post subject: Re: Difficulty of some tricks.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:19 pm 
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Yes, Sheridan's Course is suitable for beginners in that there's no manipulation experience required, but I'll just mention again that it's not something you'll learn in a weekend.


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