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 Post subject: best and most believeable control
PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:30 am 
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can anyone tell me which control looks most believeable and actualy looks like the specs card is in the middle


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:43 am 
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All controls look believable if you use misdirection. The Overhand Shuffle Control or the pass are pretty believable.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 8:57 am 
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I personnally prefer controls that have a good external reality. That's why I mostly use the spread cull control or the spread pass. I really hate the double undercut or just shuffling, that's just too easy to figure out for the spectators.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:17 am 
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ive made my own sybil control it looks pretty believeable to me when i do it in the mirror


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:35 am 
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LePaul's automatic injog control is elegant, natural, and not very difficult. It's in The Card Magic of Paul LePaul, or better yet learn it in Card College.

Also the spread cull is quite good, but try to do it without continuing to spread the cards *after* the spec already put the card back in (the way Oz teaches it). That's not very deceptive or natural. After all, you spread the cards from your left hand to your right *before* the spec makes a selection. Nobody spreads the cards like that after the card is returned to the deck in a natural situation. Why would anyone do that?

Another control that really looks like the card is going in the middle (because it is) is the diagonal insertion (followed by a pass, or better yet a side steal to get the card to the top, bottom, or wherever you want it to go).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 11:47 am 
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I'm a big fan of the Convincing Control. I also use the Pass a lot. Turnover and Spread Passes as well. If I only want to move one card, I'm going to use the Convincing Control or my TISC move.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 12:20 pm 
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The Pass all the way


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 1:58 pm 
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The best control I've ever seen is by a guy I have on MSN.
He showed me on his webcam and it seriously is mad!
He showed me like 10 times from EVERY possible angle and every angle I never caught a thing. Not even an idea.
It looked like the card was put in then straight away no funny moves was at the bottom!! :shock: His name is Tomer and on forums uses the name 'elf_lord'.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:19 pm 
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I don't really like the Bluff Pass too much. It just doesn't seem very convincing. I prefer the Tilt.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 3:22 pm 
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exodus wrote:
I don't really like the Bluff Pass too much. It just doesn't seem very convincing. I prefer the Tilt.


Aaron Fisher's book has some very great tips on the bluff pass. It can look incredibly good. It is all about confidence. Remember, it isn't what they see, it is what they think they see.

The dribble pass can be learned in card college volume 4


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 5:45 pm 
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I learned the Bluff Pass from Daryl's ACR video. It was taught really well and I've pulled it off a few times, but something about it just doesn't feel right. Lifts, Passes, Controls, they all have to feel right and this move doesn't.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 6:51 pm 
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Exodus, I agree with you that the Bluff Pass as taught by Daryl does not feel right. It did fool me the first time I saw it, but I still do not use it. However, a different approach that I like is instead of riffling down and the Bluff Passing, I dirbble the cards into the Bluff Pass position. It seems more real to me.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2005 10:23 pm 
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the classic pass or the lepaul sidesteal (this one allows bottom control as well). otherwise i really doubt anyone will suspect anything unless they are magicians or people who are exposed to double undercuts, etc.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 8:15 am 
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There are two categories of controls.
In the first, you can divide the control in two fases:

1. Obtaining a break/Jog
2. From the break, move the card

For the first fase, I love the Dribble to Obtain a break (you can learn this into Daryl Encyclopedia), or the Automatic Jog Control (with the pressure fan).
For the second fase, I often use a Riffle Shuffle, or a series of cuts...

For the second category I like the Hindu Shuffle pass, the Bluff Control and the Convincing Control

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:32 pm 
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Convincing Control is my current favourite


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