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 Post subject: Vague Topics
PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:06 pm 
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I'm aware that many of the magicians here are young, and that's okay. If this applies to you (young or not), it's nothing personal.

There is an incredible abundance of vague topics in all of the forums, but particularly "help topics". Many people believe that they are attracting people to their topic by making it seem urgent (ex. Help!; Help!!!!; HELPPPPP!!!!!; Help me with this thing coming up!). This does little but clutter the forum, because if you have a topic in the advice forum, you obviously need some form of assistance.

Additionally, it reduces the chances of your question being answered. For the most part, no one here spots a topic and goes, "Gee, this person needs help. I wonder what about. Perhaps I'll click this thread out of curiosity and find out." Be specific - your topic might get read less (if people know what it's about and they don't have an answer, they won't post), but it's likely that the posts you recieve will be helpful.

Finally, be specific within your posts. Nearly every other thread asks for the best DVD, the best VHS, the best packet trick, and the best routine. When their personal style is inquired, they usually respond with, "mainly cards, some other close-up tricks," which is just like most of the other people on this board. If this is you, than it's likely that you'll get the same few answers that everyone else has gotten. Use the search tool in these cases especially.

Thank you, and my apologies if this is in the wrong section or something.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:03 am 
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I stickied it for a while, this is something people must read.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:54 am 
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Great, finally someone posted this. I go through the forums pretty fast, looking for titles that interest me, or seem like I can help somehow. I usually don't read any of the 'Help' topics.
-Tyler


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 8:11 pm 
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This needed to be said. Often times, kids don't understand that adults are busy and only skim the topic lists.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:24 pm 
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This is so true...I am so happy someone said this...


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:17 pm 
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Im a younger than most user on this forum and I dont think it applies to the few on here like me. But for the other hundred users it definatly does apply to them.


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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:21 pm 
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tenntitansfan12 wrote:
This is so true...I am so happy someone said this...
i know what you mean


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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:00 pm 
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There are two things that I think a title should cover - the subject of the question or discussion (i.e. a particular trick, or tricks) and the aspect about it/them that you're dealing with. Some titles cover neither of these - many cover one and very few cover two.

Titles like "Help", "Question" and "Advice" in the Advice forum offer no additional hint beyond what was already given by the forum title as to what the thread is about. Neither do threads with the title of a trick, posted in that trick's PO forum.

Some titles cover the subject of the question or discussion, like "Stealth Pen" if put in, say, the General Magic forum or Street Magic forum. So there is a hint about the nature of the thread. However, there's no mentioning of what aspect of the Stealth Pen is covered. Is it a question about whether it's any good? Has it broken? Is it to do with problems performing the trick? Is it just opinions of the trick? We'll never know unless we click on it.

Other titles cover the aspect of something but we don't know what the something is; things like: "What should I get?" or "What do you think of...". They may be referring to products I use on a day-to-day basis and can give excellent advice on, or maybe they're about a trick I've never heard of. I'll never know unless I click it.

Informative titles will usually be a summary of the question, such as "Is Professor's Nightmare Particularly Angle Sensitive?" (and the thread just elaborates on it) or they will mention a trick and an aspect of it: "Professors' Nightmare and Angle Sensitivity". If you saw those titles, you'd know what your answer to them would be before even clicking on them. That's the sign of a good title.

There are exemptions to this titling procedure: for example, giving your thread the title of a trick in the Trick Reviews forum is enough to let everyone know that you are giving a review on the trick. Usually it's better to emphasise the fact by putting "review" in the title to differentiate it from someone who's requesting a review. The same goes for in the PO forums. You usualy don't need to mention the trick because it's implied from the forum title.


Probably an issue that is just as important is that of vague questions. "Which is better - Greed or Visi-bill?" isn't detailled enough to guarantee any detailled responses. On the other hand, posting, "I've been into magic for a number of years and have quite a wide knowledgebase, although I'm not the most comfortable when it comes to complicated sleight of hand and angle sensitive tricks. I'm looking into performing tricks that are suitable for performing at a bar (since that's where I spend most of my time). As a magician I often get asked, especially by drunks, if I can make money from nothing, so I thought I'd equip myself with a "making money" trick. I've looked through Penguin magic for tricks with this plot, including "..." and "...", which I disregarded because of ... and ..., and two tricks have caught my eye are Greed and Visi-bill. Would you recommend one over the other, or are they pretty similar in difficulty and reactions? I live in England so my money's different sizes. Does that matter with any of the tricks? Will I have to destroy any of my money? Are there any other tricks of this nature that I haven't mentioned that you would suggest I take a look at?" will get you much more detailled answers because you have mentioned your skill, where you'll be perfoming and to whom, reasons for looking into the tricks, tricks I don't like and why, factors that may affect me like having different sized notes. With a post like that I can almost guarantee that I'd get both a detailled and helpful response, rather than have someone tell me to "do a search".


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:29 pm 
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I and a few others are occasionally guilty of vague counter-questions.

When we ask "What is your style?" perhaps what we should ask is "What type of character do you play when you perform?"


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 10:32 pm 
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Personally, I play a cross-dressing yet domineering character. Leather, a red ruffled shirt made from a synthetic material, a hint of lipstick. Effeminate yet strong. I'm interested in elements of escapology.

Is that enough info?

Do you think you can help me?



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:17 pm 
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No, but I know this psychologist... :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:06 pm 
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Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
No, but I know this psychologist... :wink:


Do you mean Psychiatrist? - are you a real Doctor?


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 Post subject: sponge ballsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
PostPosted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:22 pm 
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Monkey_says_oohoohah wrote:
Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote:
No, but I know this psychologist... :wink:


Do you mean Psychiatrist? - are you a real Doctor?


Well,one of my sponge balls dropped yesterday and he helped me get it back up. :wink:

-YNWA


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:36 pm 
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[HILARIOUS 'DOUBLE ENTENDRE' EDITED OUT BY THE COMEDY GESTAPO]


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:54 am 
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Quote:
are you a real Doctor?


Are you a real monkey?


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